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Darth_Overlord
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Date Posted:
11/13/07 11:59pm
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RE: Catholicism
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DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:
Pop quiz! Off the top of your head (no Google, Wiki or anything else - just your own brain): Why is The Ten Commandments on TV every Easter?
(I'll explain what's going on after I get a few responses.)
Perhaps this is reading into it too deeply, but is it because of the connection of Easter to Passover, that Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world?
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Jedi_Liz
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11/14/07 12:15pm
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I was thinking because of Passover, too. Sometimes, and it might just be a coincidence at these times, but sometimes Passover and Holy Thursday have fallen on the exact same Thursday during the year (though I think its most of the time). And Holy Thursday's Gospel is about a Passover meal shared between Jesus and his apostles.
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Darth_Overlord
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11/14/07 11:36pm
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Yeah, I guess it could be called a half-coincidence. That the seder falls on Holy Thursday is a coincidence, but Easter is Passover calculated in a funky non-Jewish way using a solar calendar and moved to a Sunday.
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Kimball_Kinnison
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11/15/07 4:42am
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Darth_Overlord posted:
Yeah, I guess it could be called a half-coincidence. That the seder falls on Holy Thursday is a coincidence, but Easter is Passover calculated in a funky non-Jewish way using a solar calendar and moved to a Sunday.
Actually, no. Easter is the commemoration of Christ's Resurrection, which took place on the third day after the Crucifixion. The Crucifixion happened on a Friday we know, because the next day was the Jewish sabbath (Saturday), and the Resurrection occurred on the day after the sabbath (Sunday).
However, it also happened at the time of the Passover. Matthew 26:17 makes it clear that the meal that Christ and his Apostles shared was the seder, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. That means that Christ was crucified on 14 Nisan in the Jewish calendar, which is a lunar calendar. (15 Nisan is the sabbath commonly called the "Great Sabbath" as in John 19, becaue it is the sabbath during the Feast.) The entire feast (stretching from 14 Nisan to 21 Nisan) is called the Passover.
Jewish months start the evening of the New Moon, and are 28 days long (one lunar month), which is why it moves around within the calendar year on our solar calendar.
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Darth_Overlord
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11/15/07 7:12am
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Not disagreeing with anything you said, KK.
I'm just pointing out that if Holy Thursday falls on the same day as the Passover seder in a particular year that is something that sporadically happens from time to time.
Easter's connection to Passover is more clear in most other languages as they use a variation of Pasche to name the day. Christ's death and resurrection occurring during Passover is of course highly significant. The date for Easter, however, is not actually the Sunday after 14 Nisan, however, but the first Sunday after the 14th day of the lunar month that falls on or after 21 March. That lunar month may or may not be Nisan. To complicate matters further, it is not based on the actual phase of the moon but a mathematical calculation of what the phase of the moon is supposed to be.
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Kimball_Kinnison
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11/15/07 8:39am
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I was simplifying a bit, and there are actually different dates for Easter, depending on what part of the world you are in (and which calendar they are using, Gregorian or Julian).
Although, I haven't seen any sources showing that Holy Thursday falls on a day other than the start of the Jewish Passover (13-14 Nisan). Do you have any sources I could read that would give more details?
Of course, it doesn't help that the Jews no longer have an ecclesiastical authority that determines the start of the calendar, and so various methods have been used by different groups to approximate when Nisan should start.
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Darth_Overlord
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11/15/07 9:18am
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For example, in 2008 Easter (Gregorian calendar) is March 23 while 15 Nisan on April 20, completely missing each other. That I got from here
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Jedi_Liz
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Is anyone else watching the coverage of Pope Benedict's Visit? Its the White House lawn ceremony right now. I am soooo glad I get EWTN, as they have the best coverage.
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Happy 81st Birthday Papa Benedict!
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