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KaineDamo
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4/24/02 7:18am
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RE: Statuatory Rape: AKA Jailbate.
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What about 13? Or 14??
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JangoFettClone
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4/24/02 9:00am
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13 or 14 is probably too young, however I did know a 14 yr old freshman at my school knock up a 18 yr old senior.
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Tuebor
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Wow it took a while to read all tose postings so I'll try not to be redundant, bear with me.
1. Rape is defined as forced intercourse. If one person impairs the judgement of another (by alcohol or other drugs)and has intercourse they are IN MOST STATES guilty of rape. They removed the victim's will to resist as if with a weapon.
2.More and more states have moved over the last 15 years to protect children from thi type of crime. In Ohio anyone under 13 (in the context of sex crimes)is a child. Between 13-15 is a minor. There are four-year and ten-year exceptions. EXAMPLE: One person is 14 and the other is 19. The 19 year-old is guilty of "illegal sex with a minor" which is a 4th degree felony. In Ohio, the lowest class of felony. If one is 14 and another is 25. The age difference is more than 10 years it becomes a 3rd degree felony with increased jail and fines.Logic being an increased probability of coersion. If one is 15 and another is 18, the crime is reduced to a 1st degree misdemeanor, the strictest mis., but lesser than a 4th felony. In any case where both are 16 or older, all bets are off and consentual intercourse is permitted.
3. The above is for Ohio, but many states have tiers that define "sexual imposition", or "unlawsful sex with a minor" or "stuatory rape", etc. Investigate your local laws to see where you stand, before you lie....sorry had to lighten this up somehow.
4. This just takes into account the letter of the law. The spirit of the law, must be answered by your friend. It's posssible to be an ignorant (of the law) criminal or an innocent (of the crime) jack@##. You're the best one to answer that question.
One final thought Obi-Wan Mc...If your friend/brother is involving this girl with acohol, or drugs he is opening himself to more and harsher criminal charges. Your fraternity would also be at risk if something happened on-property, regardless of your fraternity policies. If police show up or this girl would ever change her tune on the consent issue...suffice to say the PR and litigation could literally destroy your brotherhood.
Sorry this wandered off topic a little, but just trying to give you a different slant.
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Katy_Christensen
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I don't get it. I'll probably get my head
bit off by a few ppl but WTF ever.
Sex, in a way, is an expression of emotion. I really don't see how this is such a crime. I mean, 13,14,15 year olds KNOW what they're doing. They're not completely emotionally immature. People ALWAYS cry "ignorance" for children of this age group and that is total BS. Day to day these 13, 14, 15 year olds have contact w/20, 21, 22 year olds and noone spaz's over 'contact' with them. That's all it is: contact. If parents don't want their kids screwing around w/adults, they should supervise them better. It's also wrong how they base it on age. I was 13 before (most of you have of course) and you knew wrong from right. Don't tell me you didn't. Also, scientific studies have shown that before you are 25, there's this huge black whole in the front of our brains. That's judgement. So, why have they chosen the age of 18? What's so dirty about the age of 18?
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Nunquam
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4/25/02 5:11pm
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Well, I'm 36 now, and I know for a fact that I was in no way prepared at age 13 for decisions I make as an adult. I've worked with 11, 12 and 13 year-olds...they are not prepared to make adult decisions, especially ones that could impact them for life (pregnancy, herpes, AIDS, repercussions from physical trauma, etc.).
Sure, maybe a minority of them are able to handle it, but that is no justification for removing or weakening laws which protect the majority of children/minors who are not able to handle it.
Besides, Tuebor showed above that the law takes into account special circumstances.
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Katy_Christensen
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4/25/02 5:16pm
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Then again, I'm not a people person.
I'll be the old lady up on the hill
w/her tremendous amount of cats which
she sends down twice a day to attack
innocent pedestrians. The system is so
screwed up. Or is it. Hey, they get paid
for this...
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Malazaf
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4/27/02 8:41am
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Sending them to attack pedestrians.. now why didnt I think of that...
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jedi-thespian
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5/1/02 12:38pm
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Well, I suppose I should get my opinion in:
As a sixteen-year-old part-time Theater Major at a local Presbyterian College, I've had to deal with this sort of issue. Let's put it this way: I'm the ONLY sixteen-year old part-time Theater Major there, (emphasis on the "sixteen-year-old" I took the GED so I could go to this program at this college as a Theater Major) Now, in the state where I live, eighteen is the limit. I know a lot of eighteen year old boys whom I wouldn't mind going out with (I certainly NEVER would consider sex) but I think I know that most of them look on me as either jailbait, or a deathtrap. Other than that, I'm just a friend.
I think that the statuatory laws are good because I know a lot of girls my age, and they should not be in a position where they would date older guys. I know girls who are TWENTY-ONE who shouldn't be dating older guys. People have told me that I'm very mature for my age, but I respect those laws in that they are very valuable in most cases.
A 15 year old and almost 22? Bad idea. Your friend could get into a lot of trouble, and I mean a LOT of trouble.
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Jedi Erica Amidala
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5/2/02 4:32am
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All right, let me put my $.02 in here. I haven't read all 7 pages; so forgive me if I reiterate what others have said. I am 15 years old, currently I am sorta-seeing a 20-year old. He's told me that he doesn't care about the age difference, adn treats me with all the respect that a goddess like me deserves. :-)
I'm not planning to sleep with either of him, but if I did I don't think that he should go to jail if I allowed it. Statuary rape is a tricky issue, obviously. True, children should be protected, but its hard to define an exact age.
IMHO, if either a guy or girl who is younger than 18 files a complaint of being forced to have sex by someone over 18 it should be treated as rape. If someone just happens to finds out, it should not be. Should the minor say that they were forced it could be prosecuted as a rape case, perhaps with extra penalties. Remember, rape is a forced, violent crime – cases of the abuser having a certain relationship (family usually) with the abused are usually prosecuted to a higher punishment, all ready. If they were willing to state that they had agreed to the relationships and to having sex then leave them be – leave it up to the parents to decide.
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Darth_SnowDog
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Date Posted:
5/3/02 7:15am
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I don't know if I have addressed this before... but... there's an interesting experiment in Amsterdam going on.
Their law is structured something like this:
16 is the legal age of majority. Consentual sex is allowed between a minor aged between 12-16 and an adult. HOWEVER, the sex must be consented upon by both the minor and the minor's parent(s). They both can bring charges of statutory rape against an individual... furthermore, laws against rape, sexual abuse, harassment, etc. would still apply, regardless of the age of the consenting parties.
This is a particularly interesting example of applied law... because what it says is that their culture knows these things happen. Instead of inundating the courts with tons of cases that have little legal merit, the law has been structured in such a way that it both protects the minor's rights, but also graduates teenage minors towards developing their own degree of sexual responsibility.
Pretending that it doesn't happen or creating laws to hope that it doesn't happen has neither made teens more responsible nor safer from true sexual predators. A hybrid law is far from being accepted in the conservative atmosphere of America, but given time, we might find that the only key to protecting teens is giving them elevated responsibility for their own decisions in addition to rights and protections under the law. Ultimately, they do have to live out in the real world, and a graduated approach instead of a sudden "casting out" into the adult world may prove far more effective in preparing one psychologically and physically for the real world.
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Nunquam
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5/3/02 9:00am
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You bring up very good points about responsibility and the ideas the Dutch have are worth examining.
However, the tricky thing is the comparison between a country as large and diverse as the US, with one that is small and fairly homogeneous like the Netherlands.
95% of the people in the Netherlands are Dutch, and so share similar values and are more often of one mind. They have a peaceful, orderly society and have the luxury of being more liberal with their laws, government, economic policies, etc. They can rely more on similar social mores and behavior to help keep order in their country.
The size of the entire population of the Netherlands is roughly equivalent to the population of one metropolitan area (of many) in the US. Their crime rate is less than a fourth of the US crime rate.
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Darth_SnowDog
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5/3/02 9:45am
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We have state and municipal governments for a reason 
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I think the protection of "children" has gone too far, though.
For example, I heard a few years ago that Playboy got in trouble for posting photospreads of 17yo models, though they had turned 18 before the photos were actually published. So Playboy had to end that practise.
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between an adult fantasising about a hot girl who's seventeen years and 11 months old, and one that's just turned 18? I can't see the difference, myself.
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Darth_SnowDog
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I find it particularly hilarious that we have reservations about it now, knowing what we know about biological urges and puberty, and yet the Puritan forefathers of this nation were marrying off their daughters as early as 12, and sometimes to men twice the girl's age.
Personally, if a 16 year old girl wanted to have sex with a 20 year old... We, as a society, have better things to do than waste our time and tax dollars on this issue.
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Nunquam
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Both Duckman and Snowdog once again use two poor arguments to justify repealing the statutory rape laws: splitting hairs over age, and "they did it in the past, so it should be okay today, too."
Both have been brought up multiple times in the thread, neither is reason enough to take away the protection the law provides for the majority of minors. (Look at the earlier posts in the thread.)
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