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Binary_Sunset
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Date Posted:
4/12/02 2:49pm
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RE: Statuatory Rape: AKA Jailbate.
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I disagree. That's why I premised my first post by stating my underlying assumption: Human nature does not change.
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KnightWriter
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4/12/02 2:52pm
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Human nature does not change. However, the rate in which that nature is developed and fully brought out can change, I believe.
Not saying that it does, but that it is a possibility.
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Nunquam
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4/12/02 3:09pm
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...can you ignore that pertinence of Judaism, Christianity, and especially Anglo-Saxon Common Law for the USA?
No, of course not. But that's not the only determining factor in deciding right and wrong in 21st-century America.
All three of those traditions allowed slavery and indentured servitude, the sale of children, stoning-to-death or mutilation for minor crimes, for example...we don't allow those things today, do we? Why would their "pertinence" mean repealing the law on statutory rape?
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Saint_of_Killers
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4/12/02 3:14pm
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"in my state the drinking age is 21, but you can vote and serve in the army at 18. To me that's sad. You can take a bullet for your country, but you can't have a beer."
Actually I think if you're in the military the drinking age is 18.
"That's the POINT...it carries weight and gravity to discourage people from molesting children"
There's a difference between molesting children and statutory 'rape'. Child molestation involves children, statutory 'rape' usually involves teenagers. And despite what you may think, teenagers are not children. They're not adults either, but they're somewhere between children and adults.
"The majority of the population agrees, otherwise the law would change."
I think alot of people might be scared to disagree for fear of being called perverts.
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Nunquam
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4/12/02 3:37pm
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"...And despite what you may think, teenagers are not children. They're not adults either, but they're somewhere between children and adults."
Right, but they are all minors in the eyes of the law. I bring up child molestation for the shock effect and because when a person is "somewhere between children and adults" we should err on the side of safety...consider them more child than adult.
"I think alot of people might be scared to disagree for fear of being called perverts."
I'm glad you mentioned that...and who would call them perverts? Most people...the majority of the population that I mentioned in my post, and there is a good reason for it.
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LadyVader81
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4/12/02 3:48pm
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Rape is still rape and it's very wrong and shouldnt happen. It's just as bad as molesting a child. It gives a person a distrust in people that is very hard to get over, and they are constantly wondering what they could have done to stop it though they know it's not they're fault.
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Dacks
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4/12/02 5:49pm
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I don't see how this last post applies to statutory rape. Statutory rape is concensual, you know, otherwise it would just be rape. To say that an 18 year old who has sex with his girlfriend of 17 is the same as molesting a child is pretty ludicrous really. I'll assume that you weren't clear on the discussion, but please reply nonetheless.
By the way, does anybody know how many females have been found guilty of statutory rape in the last year? I bet it's very very low.
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LadyVader81
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4/12/02 5:53pm
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it's probably low because it's not talked about. The amount of girls I know that were pregnant before the age of 16 is stupid
(btw sorry about before I kinda went off on one coz I got VERY strong feelings about anything like this)
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Dacks
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4/12/02 5:58pm
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I have a few other questions about the law that maybe someone can answer.
First of all, do the parents of the underage have to press charges? Or is it completely up to the state?
Secondly, if found guilty of statutory rape, does the defendant than have to carry the "sex offender" label around their whole life? If s/he does, I have a real problem with that, especially in the borderline 18/17 boyfriend/girlfriend scenarios.
The reason I ask about females is because I think parents would react differently to their daughter seeing an older guy than their son seeing an older girl. I think the state would also be prejudiced to this.
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LadyVader81
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4/12/02 6:03pm
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I dont know because
1. I live in the UK
2. Never when younger thought about it coz I went to a all girl school and didnt know any guys so never got a date let alone anything else.
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Dacks
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4/12/02 6:05pm
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Poor lady Vader. (in reference to comment 2, not comment 1)
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LadyVader81
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4/12/02 6:08pm
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I know it sucks 
oh well .....I am making up for it now with how many guys I know.
But I am still very cautious around men (bad experiences in the past)
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FakeHandLuke
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4/12/02 10:28pm
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I haven't read this entire thread so I am sorry if I state things that have already been talked about. But alot of people have been talking about the 18/17 year old relationship etc, so I thought I'd chime in with a few things. In a lot of states, beyond just the age requirements, there are age difference requirements for the statuatory rape laws to apply, ie. if the two individuals are within a certain number of years from each other (2 I think) the older can't be prosecuted, nor can they be prosecuted if there was a sexual relationship before either reached the age of consent so that whole there both 17 then one turns eighteen really doesn't apply. Secondly, beyond this, the statuatory rape laws are very rarely applied in cases of teen - teen sex. Yes there is that rare occasion when a conservative DA will go after someone, but it is almost always in the case when there are other circumstances that might not be provable (a nineteen year old camp councilor and a fourteen year old girl), and it is occasionally used as leverage against a boy after a girl becomes pregnant, but generally, if you are eighteen and your gf is sixteen you really don't have to worry.
Finally, I don't think the age of consent is eighteen anywhere, most places it is seventten, and a few places as low as fourteen(which, even as a liberal I think is a bit too young)
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Dacks
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4/13/02 12:35pm
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FakeHandLuke:
If what you say is true, than I feel much more comfortable with the US laws. I was under the impression though that there were some states where it is a strict over 18 / under 18 with no age differential rule. I also posted many ealier questions that still need answering if anybody happens to know said answers.
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Malazaf
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4/14/02 2:10pm
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As to flawed legal systems: Have the legal age or whatnot [im not going to decide this, it could of course vary] and then judge by circumstances the situation. Beforehand, you inform the youth of today that "Violators will be castrated\given hysectonomies"
That should deter them. Or maybe not...
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