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DARTHPIGFEET
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6/18/02 10:38pm
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"why even go to a restaurant where you know people are going to be smoking?"
Oh I don't know maybe they make a good Steak, or they have something else I like on the menu. Or how about I don't think I should live a sheltered life, because I and millions others like me have allergy problems which is a serious medical condition and one of those just happens to be SMOKING!!!
I don't have a say about my medical condition, except for the medication I can take to help me out here and there. People who smoke DO HAVE A SAY of when and where they light up. Hense it's wrong for someone who can't smell that stuff be forced to be in a room with it. Bann it and get rid of it. Your house is one thing, but a public place is another. Your putting other peoples health besides yourselfs at RISK. I shouldn't have to live inside a freaking bubble because you have to light up every 15 minutes to get your craving forfilled.
Get your priorities straight.
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solojones
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6/19/02 9:34am
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Ok, I don't care if people want to smoke because that's there choice. BUT, when you smoke in a public place that I can't help but be in... that's infringing on my rights. And especially that of my family, like my brother and mother who have horrible allergies to smoke and asthma. I think it should be banned in public.
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Darth-Sheer
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6/19/02 9:51am
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Oh but it is your business. It's causing you and your family harm when your in a no smoking section and they seat you next to the wall separating you from the smoking section which trickles down into your lungs, causes your eyes to water and frankly could make you lose your appetite.
Thats my point Darthpigfeet, it IS possible for a resteraunt to provide the proper ventilation in a smoking area to remove most of the smoke. My complaint is with places that put up a 4 foot wall and seat smokers right on the other side as you were talking about.
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anakin_girl
Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR
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6/19/02 12:32pm
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"My question is, if you're so worried about it, why even go to a restaurant where you know people are going to be smoking? I asked this before and the only response I got was that they didn't know a restaurant that didn't cater to smokers. Sure. Whatever."
For one thing, look at where I live. This is tobacco country. There are no completely non-smoking restaurants here.
And for another thing, what DARTHPIGFEET said. Why should I have to go to another restaurant just because you have a bad habit? You can choose not to smoke--it's called Nicorette gum, or even Wrigley's Spearmint, pal--I'm an ex-smoker, I know. I, however, cannot choose not to breathe, and my dinner shouldn't be ruined, or I shouldn't have to wait an hour for a table in a no-smoking section while there are five empty tables in the smoking section, just because someone else chooses to smoke.
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pkloa
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anakin_girl, you are showing everyone what i mean by being rediculous. to completely ban smoking from all restaurants so people don't have to wait for seats is rediculous. a good ventilation system where the non-smokers are in no way effected by the smokers is reasonable and sane. productive ideas that help people to live in harmony with each other are good. it is, unfortunately, easier to have ideas to just get rid of whatever you don't like.
Darthpigfeet, i'm sorry you have allergies to cigarrette smoke. i personally know several other people who are allergic to cigarrette smoke. when i am around them, i make every effort possible to not get any smoke near them. they appreciate it and we are all reasonable with demands and complaints.
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Fire_Ice_Death
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6/19/02 1:05pm
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Smokers are lazy workers, and while they get a smoking break every hour or so for ten minutes, non-smokers get to work more for the same amount of money. All because smokers can only work their hardest when they're smoking. When they're not, they mostly think about when they'll get their next cigarette.
Actually I worked at Best Buy and basically a 10 minute smoke break whenever they need it. Outside of their normal break. With that said I'd like to tell you that second-hand smoke is not as dangerous as the government and health organizations would lead you to believe. See the people who die from second-hand smoke have had prolonged exposure to it. How long does anyone actually stay at a restaurant? Maybe an hour at the least? No, I don't smoke, yes I've smoked occasionally. I hate smoke and what it does to your body, but if it's your choice to smoke then that's fine with me. But for all us non-smokers, people who smoke have the same rights as us. Bill Mahr made the point that if Ketchup were as hazardous as smoking was then the government would want to ban it too.
This anti-smoker craze has got to stop, it's stupid. If you can't smoke in public you're going to do it in your home which is actually worse considering the people who'd live there would be inhaling your smoke. I think the advocates who are against smoking are doing this more for personal preference instead of actual health concerns. Whatever happened to freedom of choice? Are we now supposed to separate a segment of the population just because of what they like to do? Think about it, would you really want someone to take away something that you like to do regardless if it hurts yourself or not?
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anakin_girl
Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR
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6/19/02 1:28pm
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Fire_Ice_Death: Yes, smokers have the same "rights" as non-smokers--the right to do whatever you please as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights. When someone else's smoking is interfering with my right to breathe clean air, my rights are being infringed upon.
pkloa: One, I don't want smoking banned in public places just so I don't have to wait for a seat--that would be a fringe benefit. I want smoking banned in public places so I don't have to sit near someone smoking, which sometimes happens even in the nonsmoking section, and get nasty smoke in my hair, eyes, and clothes.
The ventilation systems you're speaking of are extremely expensive and most establishments are not going to install them.
Once again, I haven't seen a valid argument for my earlier point: Smokers can choose not to smoke. I can't choose not to breathe.
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Fire_Ice_Death
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Yes, smokers have the same "rights" as non-smokers--the right to do whatever you please as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights. When someone else's smoking is interfering with my right to breathe clean air, my rights are being infringed upon.
Only if it's in an enclosed setting.
'ehh.....we can choose when to breathe too. Holding your breath comes to mind.  Only side-effect is death. See? Smokers and non-smokers are equal. 
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pkloa
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a-g, you are 100% correct you cannot choose not to breathe. however, would you support a restaurant that has a good ventilation system, or would you still go to a restaurant that has no such system? that is your choice. that is more effective than preaching to me about why smoking should be banned in public.
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Fire_Ice_Death
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Anyone ever been to a restaurant and it's been cold? I think they do that to kill the smoke.
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anakin_girl
Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR
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6/19/02 1:46pm
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Fire_Ice_Death: LOL. All the restaurants around here are cold. Now I know why.
pkloa: Yes, I would go to a restaurant with a good ventilation system.
One city in North Carolina, Hickory, banned smoking in all its restaurants unless said restaurants would install a ventilation system such as you are talking about. All the restaurants in the area chose to ban smoking rather than install the expensive ventilation system. The outcry was unreal. Smokers all threatened to take their restaurant business elsewhere. Nonsmokers responded to the threats by saying that just because smokers wanted to destroy their bodies didn't mean nonsmokers should have to breathe in the poison. I don't know what ever came of the situation in Hickory, because I moved away before it was all over; I do know that no other city in North Carolina has passed such an ordinance.
I'll never understand why people smoke, or drink alcohol, or eat fattening food all the time, or lie out in the sun. I think some people think they're immortal. But I'm also old enough to know that I'm not the health police and people have choices. As far as my "preaching" to you--I wasn't preaching; I was defending my right to breathe smoke-free air. What you do in your own home, or even outside, is your business.
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Fire_Ice_Death
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I'll never understand why people smoke, or drink alcohol, or eat fattening food all the time, or lie out in the sun. I think some people think they're immortal.
Smoke - if you lived with today's parents(some of them) you'd understand.
Drink Alcohol - it takes the edge off of being stressed out, same with smoking. I drink on occasion, it's so stupid there's an age limit. It's like they're calling us idiots.
Fattening foods - quick, cheap, and easy. Come to think of it you find girls like that as well. Hey! Fattening foods and cheap girls. Gotta love it!
Most of all it's because if you're gonna die from something you might as well die for a reason.
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pkloa
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a_g, the situation in hickory is completely out of control. it is my belief that the government should not be able to tell us where to smoke. i think it's bull for the city to tell restaurant owners they have to ban smoking in their establishments. i think if a restaurant owner wants to ban smoking in their restaurant, that is their sole decision. i also think if a restaurant owner does not want to ban smoking, they should not be forced to. IMO, a ventilation system would be the best solution, however, the choice to allow or not allow smoking in an establishment should be with the owner.
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Darth Fierce
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I was really hoping for an answer to this question; I guess I'll find it notable if I don't:
"So, if I go to your favorite restaurant and, er, release odorous gases in your direction as often as my body will allow me to, your response would be to kindly go to another restaurant?"
And the concept of banning aside for a minute, do any smokers here ever feel bad if they ruin someone's meal at a restaurant? Even though it's your right, I'm curious to know if you ever feel any regret over it, or if you just carry a "too bad for you" attitude all the time?
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anakin_girl
Title: Founding Member & Retired FF CR
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6/19/02 4:11pm
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What Darth Fierce said.
I saw a bumper sticker once that said, "I don't mind if you smoke if you don't mind if I fart."
a_g *note to self: go to restaurant, eat several bean burritos, make an extra side trip to smoking section...* 
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