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Communism: Can it work or is it a pipe dream?
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KaineDamo
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7/7/02 6:55am
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Communism: Can it work or is it a pipe dream?
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Ok, thats the question. What are your answers?
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Darth_Dagsy
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7/7/02 6:59am
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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America is a capitalist country.
Capitalism and communism are the opposite extremes of the political spectrum.
Hence American (capitalist) hates anything communist.
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Warsloth
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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yeah, you probably like communism dont you kaine...
communism gives everyone the same miniscule wages no matter what, no one owns anything, and there is absolutely NO freedom of religion, or other freedoms for that matter.
religions are something that communists try hard to supress.
communism is basically a form of slavery, and your owners are the members of the political regime.
yeah, and that capitolism thing...
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KaineDamo
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7/7/02 7:32am
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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I actually like the idea of everyone earning the same as everybody else. But as with every political system, there are some faults in communism. But these can be overcome if so many people just didn't dismiss the whole idea of communism altogether without giving it a second fault.
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Darth_Omega
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7/7/02 8:05am
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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I neither like Capitalism and Communism.
I'm more in between.
I think complete freedom is wrong, the goverment should control some stuff in order to let everything work...
I think if the USSR and USA worked everything between them. Then they could perhaps create a system that does work correctly and prevent having poorverty(sp?)
That's my opinion....
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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7/7/02 9:01am
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communism gives everyone the same miniscule wages no matter what, no one owns anything, and there is absolutely NO freedom of religion, or other freedoms for that matter.
religions are something that communists try hard to supress.
communism is basically a form of slavery, and your owners are the members of the political regime.
And that just goes to show how little you know about communism.
USSR was NEVER a true communist country.
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Master-Jedi-Smith
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7/7/02 9:18am
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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Communism is good in theory, but when implemented into the real world, rarely does it work out.
Why do we hate it?
It's a different type of government compared to ours. Sort of an "Us against Them" mentality.
We have only seen the negative results that have come about when countries adopt this type of government.
Our government made a big deal about it for a long time. (The Cold War)
I personally don't hate it. Like I said, if it worked as well in the real world as it does in theory, it would be great.
Our government doesn't work as well in the real world as it does in theory either, but it keeps trying.
That's just my thoughts.
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Jedi_Xen
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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There is a difference between Communism and Socialism.
The USSR under Stalin was Communist, had Leon Trotsky won his bid for power it would have been Socialist.
China under Mao was Communist, China is still has a Communist government, but with a Capitalist market.
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Warsloth
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7/7/02 10:04am
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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from the sound of things omega is a socialist.
I was just pointing out why I hate communism. I know a lot more about communism than you think, so get off it.
capitolism is the best, most up to date system of government. Communism was a great fantasy, that in reality became a farse.
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Ariana Lang
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Well, Communism in theory is a very nice system. Unfortunately, true Marxist communism relies on the fact that the people in power will happily give up their power -- which has never happened in a communist country. USSR, Chinese, and Vietnamese "communism" have basically just been corrupt dictatorships masquerading under the name of communism.
And KaineDamo -- I know you are not fond of America, that's quite obvious in the two threads you have posted, but couldn't you be just a TAD less condescending? I mean, you're telling Americans that we have this view of "We're better than everyone else" but frankly, those are the vibes I'm getting from YOU.
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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7/7/02 10:14am
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War Sloth, it's Capitalism, not Capitolism...you've said that twice.
Secondly, if you know so much about Communism then why is it so bad? In theory, Communism is the best system of them all, but, it will not work due to human nature.
Capitalism on the other hand, IMO, is a horrible system, yes it works, nice, but it's not good, do you think it's good that 10% of the people have 90% of the wealth? I don't. Give me healthcare, I'd rather pay some more taxes and not die because I couldn't afford to pay the docter then the other way around.
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cydonia
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7/7/02 10:53am
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RE: Why Do Americans Hate Communists?
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If people won't give up their freedom voluntarily, then in theory it's not so great either, how can a theory that has no basis in reality be good?
Communism is anti individual, pro hive mind. I can't speak for all Americans, but for me it's not the type of society i would choose to live in. Another question would be 'why do communists hate captialism?' In the end the system they continually try to implement is always harsher and more inhumane than any "earn your success" system they were retaliating against. Captialism =more individual freedom, better general standard of life.
Communism= the opposite.
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Give me healthcare, I'd rather pay some more taxes and not die because I couldn't afford to pay the docter then the other way around.
What percentage in taxes of your income do you think is fair to ensure you get good health care?
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Yodave27
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So how many of these "Why does the US hate/kill/maim threads are we gonna have?
Hey, KaineDamo, if you're going to start a thread in the Senate, try not to have such biased statements in your subject line.
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Secondly, if you know so much about Communism then why is it so bad? In theory, Communism is the best system of them all, but, it will not work due to human nature.
Try telling that to my parents. God dang did they chew me to bits after I had said something like that to them.
I couldn't even get past the words "In theory" before they started chewing me out.
The mentioning of the word is like taboo in my household.
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TOUCHPUMP
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7/7/02 11:02am
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I do not hate communists. I do not think American's hate communists or communism, but our perception of communism is based on realities of totalitarian communist states.
The problem with communism is that it is against human nature. Humans like gratification. Getting paid for what you do is gratifying.
Even in an ideal communist "state" it is difficult to find motivation. As an auto maker what would be your motivation for making new and safer automobiles for a population? It would have to be a pure desire for engineering improvement and caring for the population's safety. While capitalist auto makers may have those motivations, they also have profit and laws to motivate them.
It will take a great world event for societies to accept a form of communism. Think of the movie "Contact." If humanity had a common unifying goal then it might happen. It would take a massive event, and even then I think it would only be temporary as power hungry people can't ever be eliminated.
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Herman Snerd
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7/7/02 11:08am
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I actually like the idea of everyone earning the same as everybody else.
I have to ask: Why?
Assume two people.
PersonA works on the assembly line lifting widgets off the conveyor and placing them in a box for transport. His job requires no skill and he could be replaced by anyone off the street without a drop in job performance.
PersonB invented the aforementioned widget, and parlayed his idea into a multi-billion company that provides jobs for tens of thousands of people and has been a boon for society. PersonB is the driving force behind the company's success, and if he is removed the company would experience financial ruin.
Now, should these two (admittedly extremely stereotypical) people really receive the same compensation for their efforts?
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