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EvilEmpress
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7/7/02 6:57pm
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RE: Why Do Some Americans Hate Communists/Communism?
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Communism and Totalitarianism, there is a difference people. Learn it.
I think Communism is a beautiful idea in theory, but it doesn't work when put into practice. The reason that it doesn't work is because of human greed. People will never be equal because of the greed factor. This is also the very reason why Capitalism thrives.
A true Communism has never exsisted. The USSR was not a Communism, it was a Totalitarianism.
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EnforcerSG
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7/7/02 7:05pm
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Well, here is a better example of why communism is not good, because it shows that one person does not work hard. Person A studies hard, and on tests at school gets every problem right. Person B is a lazzy bum and get nearly every question wrong. Communism says that they get the same grade, but doesent Person A deserves a better grade than person B? Why not...?
I dont really hate communism, just I dont like it, nor has it (as far as i know) ever worked. People are not exaclt equal (nearly everyone has some advantages and disadvantages, but are not compleatly equal) and so communism will never work.
What is pure capitalism? For those who wish to cure their ignorence and not let it evolve into stupidy (me), can someone sum it up quickly?
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Maveric
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7/7/02 7:20pm
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Well, here is a better example of why communism is not good, because it shows that one person does not work hard. Person A studies hard, and on tests at school gets every problem right. Person B is a lazzy bum and get nearly every question wrong. Communism says that they get the same grade, but doesent Person A deserves a better grade than person B? Why not...?
Sounds like the current US public school system.
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Yodave27
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I don't hate Communists, but I don't believe in their system. Why? Because it goes against what it means to be American.
Why? Here's why:
The American Dream is to work hard, work up the food chain, pay your dues and get into a postion of money and power. To feel as if you accomplished something worthwhile, proved your worth in this world. That may seem selfish, but that's human nature. It's not human nature to live as part of a group, to have success and happiness as a group.
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Fire_Ice_Death
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Well, here is a better example of why communism is not good, because it shows that one person does not work hard. Person A studies hard, and on tests at school gets every problem right. Person B is a lazzy bum and get nearly every question wrong. Communism says that they get the same grade, but doesent Person A deserves a better grade than person B? Why not...?
Sounds like the current US public school system.
I agree about the school system remark. I don't hate communism, I can understand why it was thought up, but it isn't my motif. Communism was created in Europe and most european concepts haven't done too well over here. Our governmental system has worked off of tweaking European concepts. Communism is a foreign concept to us and it's like the extreme of what America isn't. So I don't hate communists, just don't run your propaganda near me about our eeevvvvill capitalist structure around me.  Politcal leanings I can tolerate, poltical propaganda I absolutely despise.
EDIT 1: Articulation
EDIT 2: Articulation again. 
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Waning Drill
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Once upon a time, the word 'communism' meant something. It has since come to mean something else. Deal with it or get caught in the backlash.
Too often economic systems are immediatedly associated with the system of government that promotes them.
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Well, if true Communism has never existed, doesn't that mean that the Communism that has existed is the true definition of it? Don't bark at me for that, I really don't care. Another thing, Communism puts down religion (this has been mentioned before), because it puts a higher power over the government, which takes away the power of the government, which makes the whole thing collapse immediately. 95% of Americans have some kind of religion. It's against some of the deepest American traditions ever known. No, Communism and Totalitarianism aren't the same thing, but USSR had both, so they are associated with each other (because that was the "Red Menace" for 50 years).
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AJA
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Communism and Totalitarianism, there is a difference people. Learn it.
I think Communism is a beautiful idea in theory, but it doesn't work when put into practice. The reason that it doesn't work is because of human greed. People will never be equal because of the greed factor. This is also the very reason why Capitalism thrives.
A true Communism has never exsisted. The USSR was not a Communism, it was a Totalitarianism.
Communism is by definition a totalitarian system. The word "totalitariansim", which is a relatively new term, was itself devised in part to describe Communism.
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tenorjedi
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The residual distaste for communism is from our ability to find a mutual enemy to focus against. An individual person does not hate an individual communist, but they can hate the system as a whole.
As for me communism is idealism at it's worst. The concept and the morals behind it are sound but that's where it's pros end. It throws the baby out with the bathwater. It leads to corruption at best and at worst creates a vaccum for the usurption of power. The larger the scale the worse it gets. It's inefficeint, does not promote individual achievement and offers little reward for hard work. People become dependant on the system and are nothing more than building bricks in the wall, as well as the fact that the government takes away what I consider essential freedoms. One centralized power controls all of your aspects of your life, even when this controled by the majority like a democracy, this does not appeal to me and I would fight against such a lifestyle. I enjoy the fact that I can do what I want when I want. Work where I want and make as much as my skills and luck will let me. If I want to work 60 hours and make more than someone who works 20 hours, buy a big house and have a nice car that's my choice. If I want to play Xbox all day and barely scrape by in life, that's my choice as well.
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Dagger
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A lot of this has probably already been said before, but...
In theory, communism is great. It eliminates class struggle, brings people together, and helps alleviate poverty.
Then pesky reality invades. I suppose the thing we dislike most about communism is the values put forth by the leaders. Many freedoms that Americans hold dear are prohibited in communist regimes, First Amendment rights being the most important. The leaders are also rather bad people themselves. Before we get into some stupid debate about bad US presidents, yes, there have been mistakes in US policy, such as brutality against Filipinos and Native Americans. But that pales against Stalin's ruthless purges and collectivizing, which killed millions of people.
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CUBIE_HOLE
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I think it's funny that communism is against religion, when its roots stem from the teachings of Christ. First of, before people start flamming me, I am a Christian, and I'm not attacking Christianity, okay. Just think about the basic ideas of communism and Christianity. If true communism worked, it would create a utopian society, which kind of sounds like heaven to me.
Aside from the religious aspect of it, I don't like communism because it doesn't work. It's missing one main requirement for success: perfect people.
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A smurf society just wouldn't work. There is only one female. Cubie, just because the goal of communisiom is to eveuntually have a perfect Utopian society, i don't think its a religious thing. Even Aethiests would love to live in a Utopian society, but they don't believe in heaven.
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CUBIE_HOLE
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KaineDamo, I wasn't saying it was a religious point. I just thought it was kind of funny, because communism is against religion, yet it's early origins go back to one of the largest religions in the world. If anything, I was saying something good about communism. A lot of Americans think of communism as being bad/evil, because so many of our enemies are/were associated with it. However, many Americans view Christianity in a good light, so I was giving it a different perspective, so that people might better be able to relate to it. Basically, I was saying communism is good and it doesn't have a problem except that people can't do it.
The only real point involving religion was applied only for me. I like my religion, but true communism rejects that. That's a reason why I don't like it, and it doesn't work.
Things can sound great in theory and look good on paper, but it all comes down to how they work in the real world.
In the real world, communism sucks, because, like I said, people aren't perfect.
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Tod
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(Early) Christian: "What is mine is also yours."
Communist: "What is yours is also mine."
Almost same but not quite.
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