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Darth_Omega
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7/13/02 8:45am
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RE: The USA gets its way...again... (ICC)
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how many American military court cases can you name? Or are you just guessing?
well... 
I heard from others about the things in Vietnam...
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StarFire
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7/13/02 8:50am
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Because it's not fair. What if Milosevic was tried in the Yugoslavian(sp?) court.
He probably would be released and the same thing is with the American court.
You underestimate the America system of justice. It's not like we've got some kind of "Screw the world!" mentality.
Besides, there's a big difference between trying a soldier in a court of pre-determined law and trying a genocidal maniac in a court where he makes the law.
That's why every person who commited a warcrime should be held at the Interantional court. No matter where he comes from...
The ICC is a cheap way to drag down the US.
"We can't be super-powers," the rest of the world mutters angrily, "so they can't be either!"
I can see that happpening after a while UN will get sick of the American Goverment actions.
Yeah, they'll fall back on what they do best at a trying time like that--ask the US for troops and money.
Oh. Wait.
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BoboliFett
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I recommend that anyone, especially Americans lately, that sees a statement as irresponsible as "America is BLACKMAILING the world!", not bother responding to the thread or poster. You are just playing along with their game.
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Darth Geist
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7/13/02 8:52am
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The first example that comes to mind would be the Tailhook scandal, in which numerous drunken sailors harassed several women in a hotel, and were subsequently punished, while at the same time giving the Navy a huge black eye.
If your argument is that countries are incapable of trying their own soldiers, it's worth mentioning that Britain's Brigadier General Dyer was completely relieved of command for his war crimes in India. (Not a dig at the Brits; just pointing out that countries are capable of policing themselves.)
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Darth_Omega
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7/13/02 9:02am
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The ICC is a cheap way to drag down the US.
"We can't be super-powers," the rest of the world mutters angrily, "so they can't be either!"
Well I can't wait for history to repeat it self 
ask the US for troops and money.
So tell me, how is the US planning to win a war if every country is against them?
Even if war is harsh we could always boycott you guys
The first example that comes to mind would be the Tailhook scandal, in which numerous drunken sailors harassed several women in a hotel, and were subsequently punished, while at the same time giving the Navy a huge black eye.
The second one should be about the Vietnam war please...
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Darth Geist
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7/13/02 9:03am
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I'll have to get back to you on that, as I'm just about to take off for the day.
Talk to you soon.
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StarFire
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So tell me, how is the US planning to win a war if every country is against them?
I'd love to indulge in the fantasy, but the rest world is too pacifistic to consider attacking the US.
I wonder how it would turn out though
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Darth_Omega
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7/13/02 9:11am
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I'd love to indulge in the fantasy, but the rest world is too pacifistic to consider attacking the US.
I wonder how it would turn out though
I dunno...
and if we boycott you?
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StarFire
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We produce 25% of the world's resources. I think we'll pull through 
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Darth Geist
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From an American's POV, the UN is asking us to violate our constitution and throw our own legal system out the window so that our troops can face juries not of their peers, as per constitutional law, but of other nations, some of which have long-standing grudges against us.
In response to this, the biggest threat we make is to stop volunteering our time, resources, and in some cases lives on the UN's behalf.
And Omega, you threaten war over this?
Oh, and Sidious, look up "blackmail" in the dictionary.
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Darth_Omega
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And Omega, you threaten war over this?
I'm not threatening... But war seems tempting...
So does boycotting...
oh well I'll be pleased when USA, like any other great power in history, lose his power
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StarFire
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7/13/02 9:32am
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Not a fan of success stories?
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Darth_Omega
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7/13/02 9:36am
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Not a fan of success stories?
name one
don't tell USA because USA is only a great power for the last 100 years.
I can name other countries that lasted lot longer...
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StarFire
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7/13/02 9:39am
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If a country manages to survive for 250 years through global turmoil, stands against and survives the fall of several other superpowers and becomes a major economic power through trade and not conquest--I'd call that a success story. And yes, I'm talking about the US
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Darth Geist
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7/13/02 9:44am
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"oh well I'll be pleased when USA, like any other great power in history, lose his power"
Woo! Make way for China!
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