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MadMardigan
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Date Posted:
7/19/02 3:24pm
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RE: Drug Smuggling.
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In regards to illegal drugs helping support terrorism.
Well now legalization would solve that problem wouldn't it?
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sleazo
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7/19/02 3:25pm
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Uhm money for pot does not go to terrorists. Most pot is grown in mexico by mexicans, not terrorists. And the pot that i smoke is home grown by americans(and very kind). Man those comercials during the super bowl really got to you, didnt they
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JediStryker
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Date Posted:
7/19/02 3:33pm
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RE: Drug Smuggling.
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Well now legalization would solve that problem wouldn't it?
I think I pointed out in my above post why it wouldn't.
Uhm money for pot does not go to terrorists. Most pot is grown in mexico by mexicans, not terrorists.
Untrue. Statistically, most of the pot sold by dealers in the US comes from South America, where a large portion of the profits go towards terrorist organizations. I honestly cannot remember where I read this, but I will look for it so I can post a link to the study.
And the pot that i smoke is home grown by americans(and very kind). Man those comercials during the super bowl really got to you, didnt they
Serving overseas, we don't get to see Stateside commercials, so I have no idea what commercials you're talking about.
Since you are breaking the law by growing pot, though, you are a criminal in the eyes of the law.
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MadMardigan
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7/19/02 3:37pm
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I think I pointed out in my above post why it wouldn't
Then I just have to ask you: how much money is going to terrorists from the legalized tobacco industry? Or the legalized alcohol industry? Or the legalized pharmaceutical industry?
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sleazo
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7/19/02 3:41pm
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First off i dont grow pot i buy home grown pot because it is better. I am a criminal either way for smoking it or growing it or selling it. And you know what i am also a criminal for jaywalking and committing sodomy. there are a lot of laws that i simply find ridiculous and will not comply with. I dont just do things because they are legal or not. What are you trying to do by calling people criminals in here? Are you trying to incite them? Or are you just coming at us with that holier than thou crap?
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BKK
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This thread has really gone to pot. HeHeHe...
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JediStryker
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Date Posted:
7/19/02 3:45pm
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RE: Drug Smuggling.
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What are you trying to do by calling people criminals in here? Are you trying to incite them? Or are you just coming at us with that holier than thou crap?
I'm simply stating a fact. If it bother or incites you, then maybe you need to reevaluate your way of living. The fact that you do things whether they are legal or not shows that you have some serious sociological issues that you should probably think about.
I would like to retract my statement about S. America growing most of the US' marijuana. You were correct when you said it was Mexico. However, that does not preclude the fact that that money does go to terrorist organizations, it just means it's happening in Mexico.
EDIT: And I don't mean all of the money. Most of it, I'm sure, goes to local crime rings. There is a fraction, though, that comes from and goes to terrorist groups.
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MadMardigan
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7/19/02 3:46pm
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it just means it's happening in Mexico
Now we gotta worry about Mexican terrorists too??!! When will it end? 
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sleazo
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7/19/02 3:49pm
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I have no issues to reevaluate. telling me to do so is pulling this holier than thou crap. My point is that not all laws are just. Oral sex is illegal in many states, which makes almost everyone criminals. If you want to live your life obeying whatever the Government tells you to, go ahead. Just remember that many Nazis used the same excuse.
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JediStryker
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Actually, Mexicans have been testing the INS' ability to repel armed invasions for a while now. Many believe terrorists are testing our defenses in the South. Also, terrorists commonly enter the US through the Mexican/US border.
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sleazo
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What does that have to do with marijuana?
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JediStryker
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7/19/02 3:55pm
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I have no issues to reevaluate. telling me to do so is pulling this holier than thou crap.
I am not saying that I haven't broken laws on occasion. Most of the time it's due to ignorance, but I have done it. I am not better than you, but neither am I proud of the fact that I break laws.
My point is that not all laws are just.
The problem is that it's not for you alone to decide which laws are just and worth following or not.
Oral sex is illegal in many states, which makes almost everyone criminals.
 Too true. In the military, any sexual position besides the missionary is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
If you want to live your life obeying whatever the Government tells you to, go ahead. Just remember that many Nazis used the same excuse.
There's a definite difference between following reasonable laws and going along with genocide. I assure you, if my country ever called on me to kill people for their race/creed, I would fight back with every ounce of strength that I had.
EDIT: What does that have to do with marijuana?
Sorry, I was replying to MadMardigan.
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sleazo
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7/19/02 3:57pm
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Then you can decide which laws are just or not.
You have proven my point
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JediStryker
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Then you can decide which laws are just or not.
Well, in that case, religion and morality comes in to play. As a Christian, I have to follow God's law over man's law. So I am not deciding what is just, God is. However, we are now getting into a philisophical discussion that I am honestly too tired to get into with you. Leave it to say that I am not deciding which laws to follow on my own, I am directed by morality and then law.
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gwaernardel
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7/19/02 5:59pm
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My personal view on morality:
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them. If I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
-Robert Heinlein
This about sums it up. But beyond all of this, I do believe that marijuana should be legal for many reasons.
First of all, yes, much of the money from drug sales goes to terrorism. If you legalize marijuana, the money would go to the government, which would then tax it, which would lead to anti-terrorism. If you only do this with marijuana, there are no issues involving injection. And it's not completely implausible. Look at Amsterdam. They have no huge terrorism problem, from what I can tell.
Second, if you take away the illegality, and therefore stigma involved with smoking marijuana, people would be much less likely to go on to other drugs. Look at the Prohibition years. People had to go underground to get alcohol. It started lots of crime rings and led many people to things far worse than alcohol. When the label of illegal drug is taken off marijuana and instead applied to things that are actually harmful to you (such as crack, PCP, and heroin) it is good for the morale of the citizens. Over and over again, in polls a good deal of Americans have said that they believe marijuana, at least medicinal marijuana should be legalized. They don't like the idea that some little plant that affects them no worse than alcohol can put them in the same category as murderers, rapists, and terrorists.
Which brings me to my third point. Jails are brimming with people that are only there because they sold pot. Under the law here, pot is considered a hallucinogenic and thus in the same category as LSD and ecstasy. Merely possession of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail. This is ludicrous. My cousin was caught selling marijuana and had to spend 2 months in jail. He had to wait for almost a year before there was a place available in the jail before serving his 2 months. With our prison systems so overcrowded, I think it's a good idea to rethink what can and can't get you in jail. What if he had been a child molester? Do you like the idea of a child molester having to sit and wait for a spot to open up before doing his time?
And finally my fourth point is the fact that because of recreational marijuana is illegal, industrial hemp also is. Growing hemp has been illegal in the United States since 1937. You cannot get high from hemp. You can, however, use it for rope, fabric, paper, paint, and most importantly, energy. It is a renewable source of fuel that has failed to receive any government support or funding for research. Fossil fuels will run out. Hemp, an organic substance, will not. And yet we're concerned with the fact that people may use the stronger version of the plant to get themselves high. This makes me very sad for the human race.
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