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tikkijedi Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 3/20/05 7:04am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I do not really like the Qui Gon Jinn character either, but that could be because I don't really like Liam Neeson as an actor. Someone said that Jar Jar did not serve a purpose. I could be wrong but I always thought he did. Without him there would have been no way to unify the inhabitants of Naboo to defeat the Trade Federation and there also would have been no one to easily influence in the Senate to grant the Palpatine emergency power.
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Sergeant_Steiner Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 3/20/05 9:33am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Episode 1 The scenes with Jake Lloyd in them he is the worst actor by far. Anikan should have been a teenager in Ep 1 as by making him a small boy it makes the love affair in Ep 2 between Padame and Ankian less believeable. An older actor might have put in a better performance Al the scenes with Jar Jar in them, he is by far the worst character .... Episode 2 - The delivery of the love affair between Padame and Anikan was just awful film making. Thank god for DVD players and the scene skip button as without it AOTC would be unwatchable. The two leads obviously received very little direction and flounder almost from the first line of the terrible dialogue they were forced to utter. Padame herself hasn't aged at all in 10 years and despite fact she should be in her mid to late 20s she actually looks younger than Anikan . The love affair between Han and Leia was far better handled in Ep V & VI. Ep VI Lucas should have stuck with his original intention and used the Wookies and not the Ewoks. -----signature----- "Good kill"
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WeerDoomed Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/20/05 10:27am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 3/20/05 10:42am (1 edits total) Edited By: WeerDoomed
	In the OT, the main characters were a band of friends on an adventure against great odds. Audiences immediately cared for this unusual group of people - a farmer boy, a princess, a smuggler, a furry ape, the droids, and the wise wizard. A classic adventure scenario. Plus, the Millennium Falcon was always about to break down. There was genuine situational humor in the OT. The mythology and the special effects were merely scenery. People loved these characters (especially Han Solo - He was the most important character to Star Wars because without him - and Harrison Ford's acting - people wouldn't have flocked repeatedly to the movies again and again - just think about it for a while, and remove Harrison Ford from the movies and see what you get...) In the PT, there is virtually none of this camaraderie that made the OT so appealing. There is no Han Solo-type character. We feel none of the emotional connection to Obi Wan or Anakin. There are no clear bad-guys (Who is good? The Trade Federation? The Republic? Who knows???). My theory is that this difference is very intentional on Lucas' part, because it creates a nice contrast - The period of rebellion is messy and against all odds and very different from the PT. This can be seen by comparing the designs of the spacecraft and sets from the PT to the OT (and has been pointed out on many occassions). So I guess for me the most irritating thing in the Star Wars movies is the absence in the PT of what made the OT so special - likeable, funny, interesting characters facing an impossible mission. The acting and dialog in all the movies was somewhat stiff, there were irritating characters in both PT and OT (Ewoks and Jar Jar), the military strategies and outcomes of some of the situations were ridiculous, and the mystery of the Force is always much more enjoyable as a mystery as opposed to a scientific truth. But I grew up with Star Wars, and they are still my favorite movies, bar none - But Lord of the Rings was pretty darn awesome. By the way, the best scene in any Star Wars movie: The asteroid-field chase in ESB. The music and visuals and acting were perfect! "Never tell me the odds." -----signature----- "That's no baboon. It's a space station!"
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jangoisadrunk Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/20/05 3:23pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	*Darth Vader is supposed to be the second most powerful man in the empire, and yet he acts like a lackey to Grand MOff Tarkin.* Who ever said this was true? GL states in ANH commentary that Vader is on the same level as Tarkin, and the other top-level Imperial officers. They think he is a crazy old wizard, and why wouldn't they. He's less powerful because of his injuries, and shadow of his former self. It's not until he begins killing people like its a bodily function in ESB that he begins to be feared. Just check out Moff Jerjerrod in RotJ-he's scared to death of Darth Vader, and nearly wets himself at the thought of Palpatine showing up to oversee the final stages of construction. I hate it when people don't recognize the deeper aspects of Vader's character. that being said, what bothers me the most about the movies is the way both death stars evaporate into a shower of sparks when they explode. The same goes for Alderraan. I know that fx tech wasn't sophisticated enough to do it any other way at the time, but for fraks sake, this could be fixed today. -----signature----- Help me Prometheus, I can't barbecue my wings!
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Zandoran_Celix Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 3/21/05 10:09am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	[i] Scene: dull, bland, pretentious disposable upstart Dooku steals His Majesty's previously exclusive power - and then a rubber gremlin deflects it.[/] Howe can you say such a thing. This shows that not only is Dooku strong in the force, even if it be the Darkside. And that the Yoda Mythology of him being very powerful is demonstrated. Midichlorians, and Gungans in general. They were indeed the dumbest idea. But well it wasnt our decision and they are there forever. So deal wiht it. -----signature----- Most Morose Patron of the EUC
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Plo_Koen Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 3/21/05 10:32am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I'm still hoping for a justification of the Midichlorians in ROTS. -----signature----- My mind is not in my body, my body is in my mind.
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Spike_Spiegel Title: Former FF Administrator Former Saga Mod Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 3/21/05 11:08am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	In my fantasy world, RotS will feature a scene were Yoda says "Midiclorines silly are they. Real they are not." Or something like that. -----signature----- The World According to Geek An online comic strip http://www.twatgeek.com http://www.myspace.com/theworldaccordingtogeek Updated every Sunday!
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Qui-Demera Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/21/05 1:42pm Subject: Anakins "Father"
	That was quite a strange thing... I could not help to be reminded in virgin Mary when Shmi said that Anakin just came out of "no-where". Midiclorians made him... that irritated me a bit. -----signature----- I am a Jedi of the good side. I try to feel the force and all its wisdom. For everyone there is a way to turn away from darkness. May the force be with you. Ich versuche die Macht und all ihre Weisheit zu spüren.
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DarthFlatulence Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/21/05 7:44pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Ewoks vs. Stormtroopers - I can handle this. I mean, it could happen. Look what happened at Little Big Horn! Jar Jar Binks - I can deal with Jar Jar. He's only a minor irritant in TPM considering all of the other crap in that movie, such as a bad script, wooden acting, and the really awful alien character lip-syncing. If you really think about it, GL knew what he was doing when he inserted Jar Jar. He was setting up the patsy that got duped into giving Palpatine the power to take over the Republic. Skywalker family whining - I guess I can overlook this. Like father like son, ehhh? The most irritating thing in the Star Wars movies for me? THAT STUPID MONKEY-RAT-LIZARD TOADIE THING THAT SITS ON JABBA'S LAP IN ROTJ AND LAUGHS LIKE A FRICKIN' MANIAC AT INAPPROPRIATE TIMES FOR NO GOOD REASON! The Empire should have tested the Death Star on that things home planet first! Come on George, ROTJ was just barely tolerable. It would have hurt the plot not one iota to leave out the Kowakian Monkey Lizard! -----signature----- "May the Shwartz be with you!" "Raspberry! There is only on person who would give me the Rasberry!" "Prepare for Ludicrous speed!" "What's wrong Colonal Sanders? Chicken?"
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Winston_Sith Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 3/21/05 8:11pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	:::THAT STUPID MONKEY-RAT-LIZARD TOADIE THING THAT SITS ON JABBA'S LAP IN ROTJ AND LAUGHS LIKE A FRICKIN' MANIAC AT INAPPROPRIATE TIMES FOR NO GOOD REASON! Well, if I was him, (fortunately, I'm not)I would have laughed, each and every time. He's there to inject a sense of hopelessness into the midst of our heroes' endeavor. I mean, who do they really think they are if this little freakin' mutant scumbag has the audacity to mock them? Salacious Crumb rules. Period. But not like Palpatine. -----signature----- Winston_Sith - Originator of the 'Frankenstein Theory' ROTS = the 1930's Monster Movie of The Saga http://boards.theforce.net/Revenge_of_the_Sith_/b10331/19892011/ Spoiler Free for SW TV!! http://boards.theforce.net/small_screen_star_wars/b10467/22279522/
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Darth_Ramsis Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/21/05 10:42pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I think above everything in SW, Jake Lloyd is what drives me up a wall. He was horrible as Anakin. I don't know if it was Lucas's writing or if the kid just sucks as an actor but he was completely deadpan. Also Anakin building 3PO was pushing in my opinion. It was cute but not needed. The Second thing is the fireplace scene in ATOC. I thought they had chemistry going but the dialog was too long and Portman was too stiff. 3PO's arena lines could have been left out completely. They were pointless beyond comic relief In the OT, my biggest gripe was in RotJ with Mon Momtha. She is supposed to be the big time Rebel and they show her for barely 5 minutes and then nothing before or after this scene. Excluding what might happen in ROTS, there is no explaination why R2-D2 knows where he is going on Tatooine in ANH. Also from RotJ, the duel between Vader and Luke at the after "If you will not turn..." lines was too short and didn't have the power it should have. Yeah Vader was overpowered but it seems like he wasn't even giving an effort there. ergo Faster, more intense!! I would mention Jar-Jar but after he was the one that basically handed Palps the Republic, I like him. However, the scene with him and Padme talking about him covering for her was very weak and reminded me of two children playing a game than being senators in government. ok me done -----signature----- "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?" The Expanded Universe side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... crappy. Long live the ExU!
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Fat_Gandalf Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/22/05 12:37am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 3/22/05 12:42am (1 edits total) Edited By: Fat_Gandalf
	though there have been an outstanding number of terrible scenes in Menace and Clones, the worst scene by far is Greedo shooting first. it completely undermines Ford's character and has no purpose whatsoever. and speaking of lame. come on george, leave Fett alone. hasn't he suffered enough at your hands? -----signature----- You can't love life too much... Everyone dies
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Spike_Spiegel Title: Former FF Administrator Former Saga Mod Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 3/22/05 5:45am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	On this topic I have only two words: Jake Lloyd God, I hate that kid!!!! -----signature----- The World According to Geek An online comic strip http://www.twatgeek.com http://www.myspace.com/theworldaccordingtogeek Updated every Sunday!
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DarthFlatulence Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/22/05 12:43pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Want to know if Jake Loyd is a bad actor, or if he just had bad direction in TPM? Watch the movie "Jingle all the way". Same kid, same emotionless acting. -----signature----- "May the Shwartz be with you!" "Raspberry! There is only on person who would give me the Rasberry!" "Prepare for Ludicrous speed!" "What's wrong Colonal Sanders? Chicken?"
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Qui-Gon-Strat Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/22/05 3:14pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Another one that bothers me is in the SE of Empire. After the duel between Vader and Luke, Vader is walking down a hallway and and spouts off something about notifying the Star Destroyer of his arrival. The original, icy line of "Bring my shuttle" was so much better. Man, he sounded aggravated. Why they messed with such a perfect line of dialogue is beyond me. The additional footage would have still worked with the original line.
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