Author Topic: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Darth_Ice  300 posts
Registered: Feb '04
14975_Palpatine
Date Posted: 3/27/04 10:43pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
You know, when put into that perspective, that two-headed announcer guy does seem pretty out of place! Other then that, I am definately not a fan of JarJar in any circumstances. I also thought a lot of Anakin's lines in TPM could have been junked.

 

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StormtrooperJay  94 posts
Registered: Mar '04
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Date Posted: 3/28/04 1:46pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
You know what ticked/ticks me? Two things actually. The whole Syfo-Dias thing has me in a tizzy. I'm trying to stay away from alot of the spoilers, but I'm so intrigued by who he is/was, the Clone Army, etc. But that's another post in a thread not so far away.
Second is the 'pitifulness' in the portrayal of the Stormtroopers. Now I know I picked them as my alias, they've been my favorites forever. But they die like punks, and their aim? Obi Kenobi"...only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise..." Yeah. Right. They couldn't hit the broadside of Naboo if they were in the Palace grounds.:) But I digress. I LOVE the Stormtroopers. Just hate how they can't hit nothing and die so easily for elite troops with armor on.

 

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SWJaggy  1694 posts
Registered: Nov '03
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Date Posted: 3/30/04 5:34am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
For me it was the scene in AOTC when Jar Jar gave those emergency powers to Palpatine.

Every time I think of that scene it drives me off the wall. Because of him he was the one that helped Palpy grow into even more power.

 

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Maul2931  55 posts
Registered: Mar '04
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Date Posted: 3/30/04 9:45am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
I agree with stormtrooperjay, whats there deal?

 

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OBI-BEN-KENOBI  17868 posts
Registered: Mar '04
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Date Posted: 4/6/04 11:20am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
The introduction of medichlorines(I know thats spelled wrong)It just peeved me and my friends off. My friend TJ fast foprwards through that scene and refuses to watch it. Lucas really let me down there.

 

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Vampi_Digitalwytch  505 posts
Registered: Apr '04
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Date Posted: 4/12/04 3:27am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
I've seen a copy of The Phantom Edit and I've got to admit that it is a better movie with the trimming of the emphasis on midichlorians and Anakin's 'Yippie's. To me, the latter seemed forced, just thrown in to emphasize he's a child.

I've got issues with the portrayal of the romance between Anakin and Padme. GL writes action well, but he couldn't write romance if someone put a gun to his head in my opinion. The Han/Leia portrayal was handled better, but I still think it could use a little more.

I absolutely loathed the ewoks and Jar-Jar. I know they were pretty much put in for marketing, but yeesh...they just put my teeth on edge.

The discreet alterations from the OT such as changing things from Han shooting first to Greedo shooting first also sticks in my craw since to me it cheapens Han's change of heart from the self centered smuggler to the Rebel hero he became.

 

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Kinobe  2422 posts
Registered: Apr '03
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Date Posted: 4/12/04 4:59am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Two things bug me more than anything else, and they're pretty much the same kind of thing:

1. Jar Jar in the battle at the end of TPM
2. C-3P0 in the battle at the end of AOTC

Both were intense battles, people getting killed left right and centre, and really could do without all the cheesy lines and comedy acting...

 

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Go-Mer-Tonic  19592 posts
Registered: Aug '99
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Date Posted: 4/12/04 7:36am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 4/12/04 7:36am (1 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
I like these movies. None of it irritates me.

 

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Philip023  555 posts
Registered: Aug '02
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Date Posted: 4/12/04 2:17pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Spoken like only Gomer can.

Line: "I truly deeply love you" So god awful I must fastforward every time I watch it.

Scene: fireplace scene. if there was ever a romantic moment in film - this was the worst, most contrived one of them all.

characterization: hey gomer, want to continue our jar jar battle? Well he's so awful, he doesn't merit discussion.

wasted performance: Samuel Jackson. absolutely wasted in every regard.

Most reviled revision of the Sw saga: greedo shooting first. Han's characterization is perfect....and then is promptly ruined by George's "rewrite".

Worst effect: SE of Han walking over Jabba; anakin riding that huge tick on Naboo.

Battle ruined: c3po offering comic relief in place of the ousted jar jar in the arena battle.



 

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Registered: Jul '99
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Date Posted: 4/12/04 7:02pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Nothing really bothered me in the saga until midichlorians. If I want to be really anal than I can mention other things from TPM, but really was able to get past all that and love TPM. AOTC was too bad though for me to let go so here are the most irritating things to me (put AOTC here if thats allowed if not then....)

The relationship between Anakin and Obi-wan (Anakin's character overall bugs me)

Count Dooku (I'll add his fight with Yoda here)

How Jedi have gone from being wise wizards to arrogant, boring, identical, warrior nuns.

 

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NeimoidianReport  248 posts
Registered: Apr '04
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Date Posted: 4/12/04 11:47pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 4/12/04 11:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: NeimoidianReport
It's hard to put together a list like this since I love SW so much, but here are some of my beefs:

Plotline: Everybody being connected in some close way. Fathers, sons, sisters, teachers, students. Gasp, it's all so interesting and shocking every time we see yet another main character reveal a close association with other characters. Runner up would be the whole virgin birth, midichlorians, balance of the force garbage that crops up and immediately disappears from the films.


Character(s): The entire Jedi order in the PT. Wow, I feel so emotionally attached to weak, aloof, condascending, ineffective carboard cutout characters that are complicit with a corrupt government. Silly me, I always thought that the Jedi might enjoy their work. Instead they go at it like accountants working in a tax shelter.

Scene: I'm going to buck the trend and not put down the love scene. I actually enjoyed those, and the ones that were bad were so corny they somehow came full circle and became fun again. My vote goes for the Tusken murder confession scene. Anakin's whining and Padme's comatose non-reaction to his revelation make for a bizarre non-event event, if you catch my meaning. I got the feeling I just saw something that was earnestly trying to be important and emotional, but it just came off half-baked.

*edit: added missing word to complete sentence*

 

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crystal417  2314 posts
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Date Posted: 4/13/04 8:12pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Plotline: The "Forbiddan Love Story." Sorry Anakin and Padme are both great characters, SEPERATLY. I got no chemstry from the two and the romance seemed to come out of no where. I got Anakin's end of it but not Padme's. It would be like me dating this 10 year old boy I used to baby sit for. Ew.

Character: Luke Skywalker. Yea I know he's supposed to be the hero and all but he whines a LOT. Even in ESB and ROTJ. Sorry but whiny boys aren't my thing.

Scene: Probably the fireplace scene in AOTC. I was literally making barfing noises in the theater. The guy behind me smacked me on the head and told me to cut it out. (They weren't THAT loud).

Granted, they're major parts of the saga, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it any less.

I mean come on, we all know the real star of Star Wars is R2. They come right out and say so in R2-D2: Beneath the Dome.

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Emperor_Billy_Bob  21747 posts
Registered: Aug '00
24202_Palpatine
Date Posted: 4/13/04 11:42pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Mace Windu IS A MINOR CHARACTER! Hello, what is he supposed to do? A song and dance? I prefer him being bland, because the world is full of bland people, and most of them are in high places. Not every one is interesting in the world...

 

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Psychotic_Sith  849 posts
Registered: Apr '04
6276_Darth Sidious
Date Posted: 4/14/04 12:48am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
Wanna know what really annoys me? I can up it up in eight words:


1. The
2. Phantom
3. Menace
4. And
5. Attack
6. Of
7. The
8. Clones

 

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darthsidious32  1248 posts
Registered: Nov '00
14975_Palpatine
Date Posted: 4/14/04 6:45am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
There isn't really any one particular plotline, character or scene that irritates me above all others, so I'll just list everything:

Plotline:

The ewoks defeating the Stormtroopers.

"It's a nightmare!" This is another plotline that perhaps works ok with an audience seeing it for the first time, but isn't really funny after that. Maybe if there wasn't so much emphasis on 3P0's mix-up, it might be ok.


Character:

The podracer announcer. He'd be great for a "Droids" cartoon or something, but not for a SW movie.

Scene:

The "Let's try spinning! That's a good trick!" scene. Anakin should've just shut up like he did when he was podracing.

"The crowds are going nuts! Oooh Ahhh! Oooh Ahhh!" I didn't have a problem with this at first, but it's more of a crowd pleaser to get a first time audience excited at a theater, and not really something I can enjoy watching by myself.

"R2-D2, your highness." This scene where we get introduced to R2-D2 is winking at me too much. It's another one of those scenes that works ok for an audience seeing it for the first time, but not for home enjoyment. It's got too much of the "Hey, this is a character from the OT that you've come to know and love for so long, and he's back!" thing going on.

"Exqueeeeeze me." In fact, most of the Jar Jar scenes in TPM. The key word is "most." I did like some of his scenes, but most were just Lucas saying, "Hey, look what ILM can do with a digital creature!" and didn't add to the plot at all. They got him right in Ep. II though.

Eeopie fart. Has no business being in a SW movie.

"I'm sorry master, but I couldn't find a speeder that I really liked..." This line was fine, but then it went on too long: "...with an open cockpit, and the right speed capabilities." The line wasn't delivered well, and it wasn't needed to make the joke funny. It was funny before, but the second half of the line just kills it.

"We've got to get to that hanger!" How in the heck does Padme know of a specific hanger that Anakin and Obi-Wan were at? It makes sense that she would suspect that Dooku was heading for "a" hanger. But she specifies with the word "that," which makes this scene appear to be a bad edit.

Leia kissing Luke. Luke smiling afterwards. That was just a little much. I know we didn't find out she was his sister until later on, but still. That scene isn't the same anymore.

The "he's my brother" scene. There's just something about this scene that's cheesy with Han's reaction, the kiss, and the smiles afterwards.

The repetativeness of Vader's dialogue. "[fill in the blank] your destiny." "Obi-Wan has taught you well." "[fill in the blank] complete."

"You half-witting, scruffing-looking, nerf-herder!" "Who's scruffing-lookin'?!" etc., etc. This is one of those scenes that works now, but I guarantee if these lines were said in the prequels, people would hate 'em.


I guess when it comes down to it, the prequels have more flaws that are irritating that the OT. Some of it has to do with the amount of time that has passed for the flaws in the OT to grow on me and how little of time has passed for the flaws in the prequels to not grow on me. And others are because they're just simply badly written plotlines, characters, or scenes.

But for me, there are still many more good things about the saga than bad things, so I don't have much of a problem ignoring the bad because most everything is pretty cool.

 

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