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Darth_Meul Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 4/26/04 10:12am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Plus, I don't count cartoons as evidence to support comments made about Anakin in the previous movies. People should be able to watch just the movies and get a coherent story, without having to catch cartoons, read books, play video games, etc too. And there's still one movie to go to show Anakin as the greatest star pilot, cunning warrior and good friend to Kenobi. -----signature----- Don't mind the mess, mess the mind!
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Hudnall Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 7/12/04 12:12pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Yoda duel in AotC... only from lightsaber on. -----signature----- Justice is an unassailable fortress, built on the brow of a mountain which cannot be overthrown by the violence of torrents, nor demolished by the force of armies.
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AUNTIE_JEDI Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/14/04 5:21am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Boba Fett or JarJar - I cannot decide who's more irritating. And yes, Jabba is disgusting -----signature----- Where are you going Auntie? - For a drink. JJ - you make my heart throb
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Hudnall Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 11/29/04 7:50am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	The busstop scene in AOTC. Kills all tension in the "protection" story line. -----signature----- Justice is an unassailable fortress, built on the brow of a mountain which cannot be overthrown by the violence of torrents, nor demolished by the force of armies.
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Oski Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 11/30/04 10:26am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	There are several things I find annoying, but only one of them has not been mentioned already: The youth of the characters. Anakin is 9 years old in Episode I. His mother (imagine your mother!) believes he can help complete strangers in a potentially deadly podrace? Qui-Gon orders Anakin to stay in a cockpit as a safe place? That was hard to swallow. Worse: Leia in Episode IV is 19. And an accomplished senator. Leader of the rebellion. No way... Actually, reality has no problems with that. There were young rulers in ancient times and even in our modern German Bundestag the last election in 2002 brought a 19-year old into the parliament (having heard some of her speeches I can only say that this girl belongs in school, not in a national parliament). Still - Leia acts way to mature for 19 years. Absolutely the worst: Amidala, elected (!) queen of Naboo at 14. I can somehow swallow Anakin and Leia. But Padme's youth is too much. One can be hereditary queen at 14, but one hardly rules at that age. But getting elected head of a state with 14 is beyond my grasp. It gets even worse when one considers that her title is "queen", but Naboo - as standing on the good side - certainly has to be a democracy nevertheless. This is too much political correctness for me. I stumble over these facts every single time I watch the movies.
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The_Nameless_One Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 11/30/04 5:30pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I don't - I'm too caught up in the story -----signature----- In time you shall all know me for who I am. www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/starwars/lucas.html - George Lucas Do fat men understand Tolkien? Comforter of noobs
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Chaotic_Serenity Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 11/30/04 6:06pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 11/30/04 6:25pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Chaotic_Serenity
	Plotline: I don't hate it, in fact I very much love it, but I wish the Obi Wan/Anakin relationship was done better. I do think they're close. I think Anakin is at an age where he's just conflicted and selfish, but I wish we'd get more of the bond between them. We get a little bit of it in the elevator scene, but there is so much tension beteween Anakin and Obi Wan in AOTC, that it seems to nullify it completely. I really, really hope we see a closer relationship in ROTS. Character: Boba Fett. A tiny little character who had maybe 3 lines gets to be the son of another characters, and OMGOSH exploded into the one of the most stupidly controversial characters ever seen in SW. No, shut up fanboys. He is not that cool. He doesn't deserve it. Scene: I had to really think about this. Probably the escape sequence for Lando, Chewie, and Leia in ESB. It just seems to interrupt during a huge chunk of an important battle. I grate my teeth every time I have to sit through it and watch them go from one platform to the next, ultimately accomplishing not much of anything on the first go. And some arguing... In reply to your reply, I don't see those instances of Anakin driving vehicles well (destroying the TF battleship-accidentally, I might add-, winning the pod race, the speeder chase) as any kind of evidence he was the "best star pilot in the galaxy." The only one of those that takes place in SPACE is the battle with the TF ship and like I said before, he destroys it by accident (plus, he has Artoo's help). You don't find it amazing that a nine year old is able to build, master, and accurately race a pod through a dangerous territory? That he can fly a battleship on his first time on a starfighter and blow up an entire ship? That he take a speeder he's never used before and master it instantly, racing it through Coruscant? I admit we haven't seen anything really, really big yet, but that's because we haven't gotten a chance to. His missions during the Clone Wars cartoons are pretty darn impressive, and I'm sure ROTS will only further it since he's a flight commander. It's pretty obvious that Anakin doesn't really consider Obi-Wan a friend. He's not too eager to head to Geonosis and rescue his mentor (Padme is the initiator of that action) and remember these lines: "HE'S HOLDING ME BACK! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!" Sounds rather like he resents Obi-Wan. Ben says Anakin was a good friend with the air of a guy looking back on a good buddy from the old days. In AOTC they bicker and aren't even around each other for most of the movie. How are we to know they are such good friends? Because friends bicker, people butt heads, and Anakin in general is more than a little selfish and impatient and your average teenager. Anakin has said on more than one occasion that he sees Obi Wan like a father. Someone who psychologically invests himself so deeply in those around him isn't going to make a statement like that. Not eager to save him on Geonosis? Bull. He was obviously torn over it, getting upset when Padme accuses him otherwise, but he was trying to do the right thing for once. The Order asked him to sit there because he knew that he likely couldn't help Obi Wan, and Anakin likely subconsciously knew he couldn't help him, and it wasn't something he was happy about doing. Remember that going after Obi Wan is going to put Padme in danger, so that's two people he loves who may wind up hurt if he goes. And if he didn't care about Obi Wan, he wouldn't have let Padme go, but it's easy to see how happy she was when she aquiesced to saving him by giving him a reason to go. And don't forget the duel scene. Anakin rushed forward, sure, but that's what he always does. But when he flings himself forward to save Obi Wan, he was still in obvious pain. He forced himself out there to save Obi Wan. Had he not cared, he would've just let Dooku strike down Obi Wan and then take his time to recover fully before attacking Dooku. We have a reference to a time when Anakin saved Obi Wan's life - in the Gundark nest. They banter about it kindly, and he did save Obi Wan's life. Also in AOTC, Anakin is willing to talk to Obi Wan about what he's been dreaming. Since there is a sense of vulnerability in his words, which Anakin isn't fond of showing, it shows that he trusts Obi Wan enough to be emotionally open with him. These are not the acts of people who don't care for each other. I agree that I wish the relationship was better portrayed, but I hardly think it isn't there. Anakin is a nineteen year old boy rebelling against a life he isn't really enjoying. He butts heads with Obi Wan because that's what kids do with parental figures. They have different philosophies as well, and Obi Wan's devotion to the Order versus Anakin's poor view of it causes tension, I'm sure. This doesn't mean that they don't care about each other. And Anakin is anythng but a "cunning warrior". Name one thing he's done in a fight in the PT that is "cunning" and maybe I'll see your point of view on that one. First off, he's still a Padawan, so he's hardly at the peak of what he can do yet. Second of all, this is only movie 2, we still have a third installment to add to Obi Wan's opinion. And third...you're kidding, right? A good part of Hayden's portrayal of Anakin is that there is a sinister edge to his performance. Check out the speeder incident in Coruscant. He acts as though they've lost him, only for Anakin to jump out in attack. That's clever, and Obi Wan underestimating his intelligence. But the most important scene that underlines his cunning nature is the picnic scene - just how easily he manages to manipulate his ill-timed comment about government into what Padme believes to be a joke. THAT is cunning, scarily so, even. It points to a darker streak in Anakin. As for warrior prowess...Anakin manages to survive the droid warhouse scene, saves himself and Padme in the arena, and then battles on a very powerful Sith Lord. Sure, Anakin lost, but so did Obi Wan. The fact that Anakin can fight with two lightsabers at once (ever tried to move your limbs autonomously like that?) and provided a challenge as long as he did when he was still just a Padawan speaks ALOT of his power. Outside of the movies, don't forget that this is also the guy that took down Asaaji Ventress at one point in the Clone Wars cartoon, as well was the fact that he was as a hero of the Clone Wars, a very skilled Commander. Plus, I don't count cartoons as evidence to support comments made about Anakin in the previous movies. People should be able to watch just the movies and get a coherent story, without having to catch cartoons, read books, play video games, etc too. And I do. I don't see why you don't. I admit the Clone Wars cartoons helps to see more of Anakin's battle skills in the Clone Wars, but I'm sure ROTS will give us plenty of support on how powerful Anakin's really become. -----signature----- Part of the Darth Vader Fanclub. Because good is dumb. The ability to bash a movie does not make one intelligent. Sith for '08: Why vote for a less oppressive regime?
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NeoBaggins Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/30/04 7:23pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 11/30/04 7:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: NeoBaggins
	I have exhausted so much hate on TPM that I feel sorry for it now. Even George is abandoning it. Where I hated JarJar, Ric Olie, and Soi Bibble, I now like them and want to see them return. Iv always been irritated by Natalie Bordman as Padme. She really sucks. And George will soon make my hatred for Hayden complete- which is totally unfair to him but Lucas is driving it. But in the end, the biggest irritant is the OT changes. Seperatist and trade federations are such cheezy and small things to garner full-scale wars, but hey, whatever gets it there. The plotting is horrible but I dont look for plot in these films. And after seeing TPM and AOTC, theres a few other things I wont have to bother looking for. It will be a great film with lightsabers and dogfights- the best of the new three. -----signature----- You hear that? That's the sound of inevitability. You hear that? That's the A train. You hear that? That's the sound of a thousand terrible things heading this way.
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Moleman1138 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 11/30/04 8:21pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I always hated Muppetland on Tatooine AKA Jabba's Palace. I like the idea. But practically having every Muppet, type of puppet etc imaginable in that environment is just irritating Also the Ewoks overcoming the Empire is another irritable moment. -----signature----- Host of CBC (Chapter by Chapter) for PT, CT and SFF forums and Box Office Game ROTS-DS Chapter 3: Seeds of Rebellion FOTR Chapter 29: Bilbo's Gifts TSS Chapter 17: Facts and Feathers (8/24/07)
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Sentry_Boy Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 12/1/04 5:26am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I cannot stand Gungans. I hate Jar Jar Binks more than the english language can aptly describe. I also hate the lack Darth Maul's character development and Jake Llyod. -----signature----- How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if the woodchuck was from Krypton?
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ORCADEMON Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 12/1/04 1:16pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	JAR JAR BINKS!
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Jedi_Master_Jogum Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 12/1/04 5:08pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	i think they are taking yoda's manner of saying things backwards a little too far in the PT. otherthan that, its all good. -----signature----- The saddest day of my life was when I realized I wont live long enough to own a lightsaber.
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NeimoidianReport Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 12/2/04 7:36pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I'm going to actually do a grab bag of responses... Plotline: The interconnectedness of all things. Actually, that is a misleading statement, since I quite like the idea of the Force as a universally binding, all-encompassing abstract. What I do not like is ever-increasing compression of the SW universe, with every single character of any import in the story having not just a casual relationship with everyone else, but often a very close connection with everyone and everything. It can be argued that it is intentional as a parallel or a poetic rhyme to what GL is trying to convey, but it comes off as terribly ham-handed. It is just too much. Character: This one is a tough call, since being irritated means that a character would have to have some emotional reasonance with me, and far too many characters that I don't really care for have such minimal parts I can't really muster any irritation towards them. That being said, I would have to pick Anakin Skywalker from AOTC. Utterly unlikable and seemingly without the redeeming traits he displayed in TPM. Scene: The arena battle and battle of Geonosis. Delivered big in some respects, but still irritating due to unnerving choppiness and general failure to deliver on full potential. Needed better editing with fewer quick transitions and more cohesive narrative structure. In this case, less is not more. -----signature----- The Prequelized Outer Rim: well..if there's a bright center of the universe, you're on the planet that it's three minutes from...
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ROWANGOD Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 12/4/04 9:06pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Why doesn't Obi Wan recognize R2D2 and C3PO? that annoys me i can take it if something happens to the droids but why doesnt he recognize them? i know he says he doesnt ever recall owning the droid which he didnt but shouldnt he remember anakins droids? come on
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Bjork Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 12/5/04 2:30pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 12/5/04 2:32pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Bjork
	Wow, what a touchy thread and subject. I better tread carefully. Plotline: I'm sure I'm not the only one who answered this, but the "Virgin Mary" parallel to Anakin and his mother has to be the most over used concept in history. It worked for Jesus, but I'm afraid that for Darth Vader it's just corny. Character: Mace Windu. Samuel L. Jackson is a great guy, but whenever I see Attack of the Clones I can't help but think about Shaft. Scene: The infamous Luke 'n' Leia ESB kiss. It's obviously very, very weird but it also screams bad planning on Lucas's part [either that, or he somehow fails to recognize the Eww-factor in that scene]... I also never really liked the ending to ROTJ - I believe Harrison Ford described it as a "teddy bear picnic" - to me it was always sort of anti-climatic and left me saying: "So, that's it?" -----signature----- Our words will become actions without us knowing it.
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