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Moleman1138 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 12/5/04 3:59pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I agree, the celebration of ROTJ is awkward. No Ewok cartwheels. Never!!! The pyre of Vader is a good way to end the film. -----signature----- Host of CBC (Chapter by Chapter) for PT, CT and SFF forums and Box Office Game ROTS-DS Chapter 3: Seeds of Rebellion FOTR Chapter 29: Bilbo's Gifts TSS Chapter 17: Facts and Feathers (8/24/07)
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TripleB Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 12/5/04 5:21pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	everything EP 1,2, and 3. Isn't it a sad shame on GL's part that STAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC has completely blown out of the water the PRequel Trilogy's? KOTOR was everything I always imagined the Old Republic to be like...what a shame GL could not use the game designers for KOTOR to save Episode 3. -----signature----- 11/07/2006 is going to be a bad day for the Dem's, a great one for the gop because my political realities always pan out & because I will have seen Mel Gibson's THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST 100 times by then!!! VIVA OBI-WAN McCARTNEY!!!! Ep1&2<most EU
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Chaotic_Serenity Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 12/6/04 8:33am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Why doesn't Obi Wan recognize R2D2 and C3PO? that annoys me i can take it if something happens to the droids but why doesnt he recognize them? i know he says he doesnt ever recall owning the droid which he didnt but shouldnt he remember anakins droids? come on Actually, think about this a moment...when did Obi Wan EVER meet C3PO to our knowledge? He was on the ship in TPM, and in AOTC he's too busy in the arena fighting for his life to notice some random droid which looks like a thousand other random droids running around. As for R2-D2...he only got to know him in TPM, and during that time, I think his mind was more on the mission than an R2-unit. He certainly doesn't own R2, so that would understandably confuse him, and he's never really interacted with him again since TPM. (Unless we see something in ROTS, which, if it is, would likely be a moment's spared glance, as the droids are assumedly with Padme.) -----signature----- Part of the Darth Vader Fanclub. Because good is dumb. The ability to bash a movie does not make one intelligent. Sith for '08: Why vote for a less oppressive regime?
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Darth_Takedown Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 12/6/04 9:30pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Most annoying plotline: The idea that Dooku was Yoda's old padawan. Most annoying character: I agree with whoever first said the two-headed announcer for the podrace. Most annoying scene: The musical number in Jabba's palace. I fast forward through it every time. At least now with the DVD I can fast forward much quicker. Honorable mention goes to the series of painful one-liners Threepio delivers in the Geonosis Arena Battle.
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Darth_Mimic Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 12/7/04 6:45am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I'm with everyone who disliked the arena announcer. Two heads - two languages? They couldn't even talk to each other (coordinating showers must be difficult). I'm also not a fan of Shmi saying that there was no father for Anakin. Especially because i think it's clear that Qui Gonn is Anni's father... -----signature----- "I thought I was the Boy Scout." (Superman) Truth is the most valuable thing we have. (Twain) "Get this cheese to sickbay." (Voyager) Lieutanant, Imperial Squadron, TPMDF It's my rapper name. (N. Portman)
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Darth_Ambitious Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 12/7/04 9:09am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	I hate the whole Anakin is the Chosen One/Jesus storyline. So Anakin dad is the force, just great! Lucas goes and makes the main character of all the films into Jesus, how dumb! Why couldnt Anakin just have been like he was described by Obi-wan in the OT. A great pilot, strong in the force, and a good friend. No son of God, Jesus, Chosen One crap needed! -----signature----- "I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space" Admiral Kirk, Star Trek IV "All I see is an Atreides I want to Kill" Feyd Harkonnen, Frank Herbert's Dune "Fear, fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the corrupt. Fear, fear is my ally."
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Tatooine_Gemini Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 12/9/04 3:20am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	My answer: Boba Fett I could never stand that character. No background, no reasoning and just disrespectful of everyone. Not on the rebel side, not on the Empire side. Even Vader is seen threatening him by shaking his finger at him specifically and saying yes find my sons friends but "no disintegrations" Interesting. He is all for himself and Vader knows this and singles him out. I usually love good villians.. BUT boba is just a bad guy bounty hunter willing to sell anyone (more likely dead than alive) for money in his pocket.. unless specifically told not to kill. BUT NOW that I saw ep2, and him as a boy watching his father die... I am beginning to understand. Maybe he feels no one in the universe and both sides of this war are on anyones side. He shouldnt really trust anyone anymore after seeing his father Jango give his life for the ones attacking the Jedi on Geonosis and then be killed by a Jedi for it with them standing by watching it. I think ep3 will have much more of his story. STRANGELY I met the man who plays Boba Fett and I asked him what he thought of the boy that plays the young Boba. He got a strange look on his face and then told me he wanted Boba to not have a background. He liked it better when he had no history and was a mystery. I didnt expect that answer. He was a very nice english gentleman, had a very nice wife, and a career outside of starwars. He showed me pictures of a comercial he did for Sweden.. viking horns and leather. lol. We laughed.. but walking away I still thought back to the charater.. and I just can't enjoy watching such a cold and heartless Boba. He is more heartless than Vader since inside Vader, there is still a bit of anakin who loves his son and does not sell his son out. The actor just made me feel more like Boba had no real purpose or heart.. not until now in the prequels. We will see more of Boba in ep3 and I'd like to know what he is thinking as he takes his fathers place as a bounty hunter and perhaps if maybe he does take a side.. or refuse to for an actual reason other than money. A bit like Han I guess except Han did not smuggle or kidnap or kill people for the money. He smuggled everything else. Boba smuggled blood really. But something else got me... About this comment someone sent: Quote: I personally don't like how GL developed the whole relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan. I was hoping for friendship, a brother/brother relationship or a father/son relationship, NOT a non-caring but giving person/whining brat relationship." RE: OK.. first off Anakin was NOT to be trained. The council said he was "dangerous". Obi argued with Quigon about this and Quigon ignored him. The ONLY reason Obi took him in was NOT because he wanted to give the boy a father figure, not because he wanted to train the boy, not because he thought Anakin should ever even BE trained.. but because he was forced to. He gave Quigon his WORD to do it as Quigon lay dying. He had to. And he was always afraid of Anakin because of the councils fears. Even Yoda was afraid to train the boy and only agreed when Obi said he had to do it anyway. So now Obi is forced to revolve his life around this boy. A boy who is unusually powerful and quite a handful. A boy who is lonely and afraid of losing his mother, a boy yoda says is full of fear and has a clouded future. A boy who has love for a girl and then later meets up with her again. Obi is frustrated, he just became a Jedi himself and now has this HUGE responsibility for the next 10-15 years of his life. Anakin is what you call bratty because he senses Obi is holding him back, he is alone except for the comfort of Obi, which is NOT much comfort. Obi is cold with him, when he has nightmares Obi says dreams pass.. thats real comforting. Dreams did NOT pass and she WAS dying and obi was too afraid to let anakin go with his feelings on this to let him get to her sooner. He underestimates Anakin because he is afraid to let him go and test his feelings.. So he keeps him away from Tatooine. Consequently she ends up tortured to death and later when Anakin does disobey Obi and goes with Padme to see her, she dies in his arms. Anakin knows it is the fault of many people.. those who let her go out alone, Obi for not letting him go to his mother, himself for not going anyway, and even her own self for not being able to protect herself. This is the one nightmare he has waited for to happen since he left his mother. He knew it. Anger and resentment burn in him against his weakness and the Jedi order rules enforced by Obiwan that prevented him from being strong enough to save her. He could have saved her. Even his anger at the Jedi order itself begins when his mother dies. Rules and fears kept him from saving her. Speaking for my own self, I personally had a mentor who was a very over bearing over protective, highly intelligent man. I knew that he was afraid for me and that was why he was cruel in that he denied me all kinds of things that I wanted or needed or dreamed of just because he was afraid that I would make mistakes or become too independent. This only worked against him. I went and learned behind his back. Then told him. EVENTUALLY he had to learn to trust me. He even cried to try to prevent me from being with a man that I met and fell in love with. He told me all kinds of stories and reasons why I should not be with that man and he was wrong. I met that man approx 4yrs ago now and we are still together, and married now. Now my old mentor says he was just trying to be careful and he took all his warnings back. It is sooooo frustrating when someone you trust does not trust you. When you look up to their advice but they do not look up to yours. They see you as someone learning and not a wise person yet. But you know you are wise and you CAN live a good life on your own hearts instincts. Want a laugh?? My husband and I did elope. And no the old mentor does not know. No way. Don't laugh to hard. Its true. It is sad when you cant share all of your life with someone who is supposed to be your friend and someone you can talk to because you are scared they will disapprove and make you feel you made a mistake. I still learn from him, always will. But he knows our relationship has to be different than it was. He HAS to let go. I ended up slowly begining to learn from more and more others on the side to teach him I was able to be smart and be safe. To this day he will not take on another person to teach because he says he isn't done with me. Soooo frustrating. But you just let it go. [face-hypnotized] I just wanted to say all that in the defense of Lucas and his story of Anakin. Remember Lucas had a lot of big time Hollywood mentors too, look into his history. Big time guys took him in. Some thought he was not worth a dime. Some others loved his ideas. But he said himself he was Different from the others and that made people a bit afraid of trusting him. And I think he knows how it feels to be seen as small and not aware, how it feels to be feared and not trusted.. maybe he knows how this character Anakin feels in ep2 and that is why he wrote it that way. Either way Anakin has to be angry, fearful, and in enough pain to fall in ep3. He must fall. So far he has alot of pain.. almost enough. OR maybe he already fell when he slaughtered the tribe that killed his mother? ...See you at the theaters. -----signature----- Miss Gemini Come Join our New RP! Ashes of the Phoenix http://swaotp.proboards83.com/index.cgi Tell your sister... you Were Right... ~Vader "I can destroy him Padme, and we can Rule" ~Ana "Why are you asking me to do this?!" ~Anakin ep3
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Tatooine_Gemini Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 12/10/04 8:13pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Most frustrating? I'll be honest. I go nuts when I hear people say that they don't understand how Anakin brings balance and that Luke is the hero. Luke is the son and he is a hero as well, but Vader is the one on the long hard journey. Torn in two, unable to be a normal person, handicapped, a slave to a Sith, and then confronted with his own son and made to promise to turn his son to the darkside or kill him. The story of Anakin/Vader IS the story of StarWars. The main plot is the life Anakin lives and WHY he goes through what life has him destined to go through. The most frustrating thing is when I hear others not understand HOW Anakin is the one who brings BALANCE. Someone wrote: But if I wanted Anakin to stay good, and bring balance to the force in a positive way...she'd have to be out of the picture. RE: You CAN'T bring BALANCE to the force in a POSITIVE way only. Thats impossible. Anakin had to feel the force and listen to it lead him. The force was good and bad equally for a long time.. with jedi and sith (fallen jedi). Then the Jedi believed they had all the control.. because as the story goes they destroyed the Sith. Remember them saying in ep1 "the sith have been extinct for a millenium.." Well they were not. They were in hiding and one sith had the power and the influence in politics to take over the galaxy and eventually kill all the Jedi (as we will see in ep3). So suddenly the force was slipping into the darkside because of Sidious and the Sith. Anakin felt the force and he reflected the fall of the force with his own slow but eventual complete fall. So he had to represent the force and understand its feeling and its powers (on both ends) in order to ever know which side to choose later when he chooses to kill Sidious. He is connected to the force more than anyother jedi and is born to do this. It is a hard destiny but in the end he survives. "Balance"... think YIN YANG think good and bad, thick and thin, black and white. To have balance both sides must be Equal. First Anakin is born in a time when the darkside (through the Sith and Sidious) seeks to destroy all Jedi and have revenge someday soon... and destiny has it that they DO destroy the good Jedi and this brings the Force OUT of balance. That is when Anakin is around. He is good... but then falls to the darkside right when the darkside powers have taken over.. they have become the more powerful side of the force and the force needs to go back to the good side.. at least enough to become balanced again. SO in the prophecy the Jedi know this time will come and one will come who will SOMEHOW bring balance back. IF that someone (in the prophecy) was someone who could bring balance in a "good way" then that person would have been Luke and not Anakin/Vader. But It is not Luke. It IS Anakin. Lucas shows us how anakin reflects the destiny of the force by first being good and then being tempted and bending to become semi-bad, and then falling all the way to succumb to the power of the darkside. So... Anakin knows the good side and the bad side very well. Too well. He understands what it feels like to depend upon the power of the good side and what it feels like to depend upon the power of the dark side. He has to know this and understand this in order to bring balance. You cannot just know good and bring BALANCE. Luke only knew the good side.. and as his father Vader said "You dont know the power of the dark side.. I MUST obey my master" There were obviously things that Luke did NOT understand... so at that moment when Anakin/Vader chose to destroy the darksides influences and off balance dictatorship by killing Sith Sidious he made that choice to make the force Equal again. He let his son live and thus let the good side thrive again. The jedi would return and multiply and this meant Balance would return. Anakin had to first become evil to reflect what happened to the Force itself (that it fell off balance to the darkside) in order to bring the Force true balance again. Only he could understand what it all meant, felt like, and what was best for the force overall. He chose life, love, and to end the dark rule. That is the point of the movies. The force and its influence and its good and bad side is always equal to Anakin/Vader and his good and bad side. He and the force are Connected. That is why they call him "the chosen one" >sigh< wow... yes the movies are more complicated than we think. -----signature----- Miss Gemini Come Join our New RP! Ashes of the Phoenix http://swaotp.proboards83.com/index.cgi Tell your sister... you Were Right... ~Vader "I can destroy him Padme, and we can Rule" ~Ana "Why are you asking me to do this?!" ~Anakin ep3
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DarthMateous Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 12/16/04 11:52pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	The new song and dance number that was added to the SE of ROTJ with that hairy Yuzzum character.
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Alowicious_ReX Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 12/17/04 7:31am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Most irritating character would have to be young Anakin Skywalker (Jake Lloyd) sorry he beats out Jar Jar. Most irritating scene is a tie between 3PO's lame jokes during the Battle of Geonosis (I'm quite beside myself, etc.) or Chewbacca's Tarzaan yell during the Battle of Endor. They both make me cringe. Most irritating plotline..hmmm...Obi-Wan and Anakin's realtionship in the PT. -----signature----- Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard, increase production, prevent accidents and be happy. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses
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R2-12point Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 12/17/04 9:46am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Plotline: The Chosen One. It's adds nothing. There's no part of the PT story that couldn't be told without it. I don't mind midichlorians or the Rule Of Two or any of the other not-so-needed stuff, but the Chosen One thing feels like a needless nod to other, sometimes lesser materials, and it sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Character: I'll go with Dooku. There are much more annoying characters, to be sure, but none so pivotal to the plot. I know next to nothing about this guy, and what I do know is sketchy. Scene: This is too tough to decide and is best served with a list, topped by the Jabba's Palace rock number, the pod race (with announcer), and about every third, completely pointless scene in Clones (bus stop, Jedi Council redux, Queen visit, asteroid chase redux, etc., etc.) I think of all the "What was George thinking!?!" moments, though, the top two spots belong to the OT era. The Christmas Special deserves top honors, with the Jedi rock number in second. Honorary mention goes to the Greedo "fix", but that was the modern era. -----signature----- 77--Great notions 80--Expanded notions. 83--Abandoned notions 99--Misguided notions 02--No notions at all 05--Unfulfilled notions SW started uncommonly and, well, you can't say it isn't still.
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StarSmuggler Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 12/20/04 9:52am Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	Plotline- I didn't like the fact that the model for the clone army had to be Boba Fett's father. Lucas should have just left Boba as he appeared in ESB and ROTJ- a masked assasin with an unknown past. This makes him mysterious, and therefore, more intriguing, IMO. Seeing Boba as a young boy took out a lot of the mystery of his character for me. Character- Jar-Jar Binks, with Boss Nass and Mace Windu coming after him. Scene- the musical scene inside Jabba's palace- it interrupted the film, unlike the Modal Nodes who are given a sort of close up, but are just playing in the background of the scene. -----signature----- "No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be. -Bram Stoker"
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NorCalBirdz Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 12/31/04 7:46pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	It has to be the Luke-Leia scene on Endor where he reveals that Leia is his sister. "I know, somehow I've always known". Yeah right! That's possibly one of the lamest lines in movie history and I'm embarassed that it's in ROTJ. Also she never reacts or makes a comment that Vader is HER father as well. -----signature----- Wouldn't It Be Nice?
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MasterWiYa Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/2/05 2:36pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most?
	The Second Death Star, or "Death Star II". Whatever it was, come on! I still enjoy RotJ, but I wish there was another idea instead (And yes I understand why Lucas did this, I have listened to the commentary). -----signature----- When it's quiet at night, sometimes you can still hear the ewoks sing... Self-Proclaimed "Bard of the Boards"
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StarSmuggler Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/2/05 5:02pm Subject: RE: What plotline, character or scene in the entire Saga irritates you the most? - Date Edited: 1/2/05 5:12pm (2 edits total) Edited By: StarSmuggler
	I have to add that Anakin's virgin birth and the midichlorians really bugged me. Making one's abilities connected to science seemed to contradict the Force- If it were that simple, couldn't someone get a transfusion of some sort and technically be a jedi? Jedi are born with their powers and the force is not something that one can reduce to facts and simple logic, IMO. It just seemed to take a lot of the "way of the Force" out of it. Other characters I despised (Jar Jar being the king of my most disliked characters) were Yaddle (cringe) and Dooku. Another irritating scene- sightseeing in Gunganland- "bigger fish" line really got me. -----signature----- "No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be. -Bram Stoker"
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