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Sith_Rocks Registered: May '06	Date Posted: 6/22/06 6:43pm Subject: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	I am new to these boards but for the longest time I have thought about this. How can the Academy Awards continue to deny the Star Wars movies their due? With LOTR: Return of the King winning 11 Academy Awards including Best Director and Best Picture that should be the best argument for letting Star Wars to win a major Academy Award. Having just seen LOTR:ROTK it was a pretty good movie. I would even say it deserved all its awards that it got. But that movie can't hold a candle to Star Wars. Sure Episodes 1 and 2 were not that good but certainly 3 - 6 were of the same caliber of LOTR:ROTK and yet ROTS got 1 nomination. What an insult. Even Passion of the Christ which ruffled more feathers in Hollywood got 3 nominations but surely ROTS didnt generate the criticism that Passion of the Christ did. Some people say that Sci-Fi/Fantasy films won't win Best Picture but LOTR:ROTK did. What does everyone think?
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/22/06 6:47pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Much of it is political because Hollywood hates Lucas. That said, A New Hope did win six Oscars and was nominated for four more including Alec Guiness as Best Supporting Actor and Lucas as Best Director. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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darthzeppo Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 6/22/06 7:14pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	TPM & AOTC should of at least been nominated for costumes. The Black outfit with feathers that Keira Knightly wore was hand croqueted by hand & the refugee dress in AOTC was hand embroidered. Its completely indefensible that they were snubbed for costumes. In my opinion they are the best costumes since Barry Lyndon ( which was made in the 70s but because the costumes are so accurate & well made it looks like it was made yesterday). Not ONE nomination how suspicious is that? -----signature----- "If you make people think they’re thinking, they’ll love you; but if you really make them think, they’ll hate you." —Don Marquis Padawan to Ryoo Naberrie Darthzeppo's greatest hits & misses http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/25090645/p1/?0
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zombie Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/22/06 9:22pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Star Wars was nominated for best picture, best screenplay, best director and best supporting actor. It won an additional seven. Star Wars was honored because it was well-made, accessible to everyone and truely was "the years best movie" as the Time magazine cover story proclaimed that summer. The sequels weren't--and simply couldn't--have had any of the impact that the original film did. It was just a whole culture revolution--and it wasn't based on special effects; the characters and the plot became cultural icons. The sequels were popular and they all swept the technical categories, but they didn't recieve the "big" nominations (picture, director, screenplay, actor) because the films didn't have the same cinematic impact. The prequels i felt were ignored even in the technical categories, mainly, i am guessing, because they were regarded as unpopular. -----signature----- The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available in print http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com
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darthzeppo Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 6/22/06 9:44pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Well Crash was unpopular. Didn’t stop them from giving it “best picture.” -----signature----- "If you make people think they’re thinking, they’ll love you; but if you really make them think, they’ll hate you." —Don Marquis Padawan to Ryoo Naberrie Darthzeppo's greatest hits & misses http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/25090645/p1/?0
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Jedi_Ford_Prefect Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 6/22/06 9:50pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Eh. The Oscars are mostly a joke nowadays anyway. It'd be nice to see Lucas get a lifetime achievement award, but even that's unlikely, just like Scorsese very likely might never get a statuette from them until he's nearly dead. -----signature----- "The first Trilogy will not be as much of an action adventure kind of thing. Maybe we'll make it have some humor, but right now it's much more humorless than this one...a little more Machiavellian - it's all plotting - more of a mystery." Lucas in 1982
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Darthgordon Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 6/22/06 10:05pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	I'm really not too sure of this, but I believe that Lucas withdrew from the Major Motion Picture Academy after they fined him some rediculous sum of money for not having opening credits at the begining of ESB. I don't think he ever returned so I don't think his movies can win an award. If I'm wrong on this I'm sure someone will correct me -----signature----- "...what the hell's an aluminum falcon...." - The Emperor when he learns of the destruction of the Death Star
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zombie Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/22/06 10:13pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Darthgordon posted: I'm really not too sure of this, but I believe that Lucas withdrew from the Major Motion Picture Academy after they fined him some rediculous sum of money for not having opening credits at the begining of ESB. I don't think he ever returned so I don't think his movies can win an award. If I'm wrong on this I'm sure someone will correct me Thats incorrect. Independent and studio pictures are equal. Lucas resigned from the writers guild and the DGC which i doubt had any affect on academy voters, who at the time were in love with the "radical and independent" American New Wave. And Crash was wildly popular with critics, i don't know what you are talking about. -----signature----- The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available in print http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com
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darthzeppo Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 6/23/06 2:16am Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Oh you meant critics! i thought you were talking about normal people. but you know ROTS got better reviews than Crash - check out the tomatometer on rotten tomatoes. Crash 75% ROTS 82% i think the prequels were missing the "wank" factor that seems to be mandatory for nominations these days. -----signature----- "If you make people think they’re thinking, they’ll love you; but if you really make them think, they’ll hate you." —Don Marquis Padawan to Ryoo Naberrie Darthzeppo's greatest hits & misses http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/25090645/p1/?0
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Cryogenic Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 6/23/06 2:49am Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	darthzeppo posted: i think the prequels were missing the "wank" factor that seems to be mandatory for nominations these days. LOL! That's a keeper! I think the snubbing began after ANH and accelerated with every film. Although TESB earnt solid nominations in the areas of "Best Sound", "Best Art Direction", "Best Score" and "Special Achievement for Visual Effects", I really think it should have been nominated for "Best Cinematography", too; Peter Suschitzky's three dimensional lighting of Dagobah, and his Stygerian approach to the carbon freezing chamber on Cloud City, are absolutely stunning. "Return of the Jedi" got snubbed further, but it wasn't until the prequels, and "Revenge of the Sith" especially, that "Star Wars" took it in the kisser -- big time. C'mon. "Return of the King" gets eleven nominations and wins them all? How on MIDDLE EARTH??? One of the Oscars was even for "Best Editing". Best Editing. Ha! (Try telling that to Christopher Lee or all the people who complained about the endless endings). Howard Shore also won for "Fellowship of the Ring" and again for "Return of the King", yet John Williams wasn't nominated for a SINGLE prequel? Yeah, right. Not to even give "Revenge of the Sith" nominations for "Best Sound" or "Best Visual Effects" is also ABSURD. The Academy is a very political organisation -- it always has been and it always will be. -----signature----- I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films. - Ian McDiarmid
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ROTS_Obi1 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 6/23/06 9:27am Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Star Wars should have won best pic '77. As well as directing and supporting actor. Empire should have won best score, best set direction, nominated and won for best supporting actor Frank Oz, a best makeup award (Was there one back then?), a best cotume design, sounde editing, and sound mixing. -----signature----- I'm a man of my word- Joker. Go Chicago Bears!
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Jedi_Ford_Prefect Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 6/23/06 9:58am Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	ROTS_Obi1 posted: Star Wars should have won best pic '77. As well as directing and supporting actor. Empire should have won best score, best set direction, nominated and won for best supporting actor Frank Oz, a best makeup award (Was there one back then?), a best cotume design, sounde editing, and sound mixing. I'll agree on ANH. You know what beat it? Annie Hall. Now, I like Woody's movies too, but come on. -----signature----- "The first Trilogy will not be as much of an action adventure kind of thing. Maybe we'll make it have some humor, but right now it's much more humorless than this one...a little more Machiavellian - it's all plotting - more of a mystery." Lucas in 1982
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Boba16 Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 6/23/06 3:34pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Jedi_Ford_Prefect posted: Eh. The Oscars are mostly a joke nowadays anyway. It'd be nice to see Lucas get a lifetime achievement award, but even that's unlikely, just like Scorsese very likely might never get a statuette from them until he's nearly dead. But Lucas did win the Lifetime Achievement Award at the Oscars in 1992! It is called the Irving Thalberg Award, and he won it long before the prequels, and long after they supposedly started dissing him at the Oscars. He has also won a lifetime Achievement Award from the AFI last summer, so for all the Lucas conspiracy theorists, what else do you want? I am not here to defend the Oscars, cause I still haven't liked them since Saving Private Ryan got shafted, but I don't think they hate Lucas or anything? I just think that they were just not going to give SW any more awards cause they rarely do with sequels. Now the only reason Return of the King took home so many statues was cause it was more a combo of all 3 movies that they held off on, and it was a weak year with nothing really big that it was against in 2003. Other than the Godfather Part II, I can't recall any sequel that has ever won anything at the Oscars. If you guys want a conspiracy, go watch an Oliver Stone movie, Lucas has gotten his due by the academy, but they just are not going to give awards for all 6 movies, whether it is right or not, they just don't do it, they mostly try to focus on original movies, and not sequels. -----signature----- How come Lucas says the PT should be watched before the OT, but never says Temple of Doom should be watched first?
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/23/06 3:53pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars - Date Edited: 6/23/06 4:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	darthzeppo posted: Oh you meant critics! i thought you were talking about normal people. but you know ROTS got better reviews than Crash - check out the tomatometer on rotten tomatoes. Crash 75% ROTS 82% i think the prequels were missing the "wank" factor that seems to be mandatory for nominations these days. I'm not even going to try to guess what a "wank" factor is, but the Academy at the least last year, gravitated far more to films that were making social commentary and the Prequel simply don't have social commentary except possibly(and I'm reaching incredibly far here) about how a dictator can subvert a democracy but that's been seen multiple times throughout history. Jedi_Ford_Prefect posted: ROTS_Obi1 posted: Star Wars should have won best pic '77. As well as directing and supporting actor. Empire should have won best score, best set direction, nominated and won for best supporting actor Frank Oz, a best makeup award (Was there one back then?), a best cotume design, sounde editing, and sound mixing. I'll agree on ANH. You know what beat it? Annie Hall. Now, I like Woody's movies too, but come on. I agree that Star Wars should have beat Annie Hall. Boba16 posted: Jedi_Ford_Prefect posted: Eh. The Oscars are mostly a joke nowadays anyway. It'd be nice to see Lucas get a lifetime achievement award, but even that's unlikely, just like Scorsese very likely might never get a statuette from them until he's nearly dead. But Lucas did win the Lifetime Achievement Award at the Oscars in 1992! It is called the Irving Thalberg Award, and he won it long before the prequels, and long after they supposedly started dissing him at the Oscars. He has also won a lifetime Achievement Award from the AFI last summer, so for all the Lucas conspiracy theorists, what else do you want? I am not here to defend the Oscars, cause I still haven't liked them since Saving Private Ryan got shafted, but I don't think they hate Lucas or anything? I just think that they were just not going to give SW any more awards cause they rarely do with sequels. Now the only reason Return of the King took home so many statues was cause it was more a combo of all 3 movies that they held off on, and it was a weak year with nothing really big that it was against in 2003. Other than the Godfather Part II, I can't recall any sequel that has ever won anything at the Oscars. If you guys want a conspiracy, go watch an Oliver Stone movie, Lucas has gotten his due by the academy, but they just are not going to give awards for all 6 movies, whether it is right or not, they just don't do it, they mostly try to focus on original movies, and not sequels. Exactly, Star Wars got it's kudos almost thirty years ago. I'd have loved for it to get Oscars but that's not how the Academy works. You'll also notice that The Matrix only got Special Effects awards for the first one. They also may have just not liked the Prequels as much as they did the other films which doesn't point towards any conspiracy but simply a difference in taste. There's also the fact that Lucas has gotten the Academy's Lifetime Achievement award as was mentioned and he also got the American Film Institute's life time achievement award so Lucas has gotten his acclaim. I do however think that more nominations would have been nice, I just don't see any of it as being that unusual. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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SkottASkywalker Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 6/23/06 11:14pm Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	Awards and nominations are great and a lot of fun, but they aren't necessary for me to recognize and appreciate the quality of each STAR WARS movie. -----signature----- "I am a Jedi, like my father before me." Rise. Fall. Redemption. Prophecy fulfilled. Balance to the Force. Peace and freedom to the galaxy. "It's so wonderful, Ani. You have brought hope to those who have none."
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princessleia911 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/24/06 12:28am Subject: RE: Academy Awards and Star Wars
	SkottASkywalker posted: Awards and nominations are great and a lot of fun, but they aren't necessary for me to recognize and appreciate the quality of each STAR WARS movie. I agree I also think that Lucas pissed off many Hollywood types when he pulled out of the Writers & Directors Guild back in 1980 and his movies have never recovered. Nowadays, to get an Oscar nomination, it must be an artsy fartsy kind of movie...the kind of movie that rarely makes any money because you fall asleep and who wants to pay $9 to sleep in an uncomfortable movie theater when it's free at home? -----signature----- "Someday you're going to be wrong & I hope I'm there to see" "I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain." http://www.angelsofiego.com A new site for all female SW costumers(males welcome as well)
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