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darthpup Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 6/26/06 3:30am Subject: Jedi the new Sith
	Is it just me or are the jedi taking sith rules Sith rule of 2 Jedi rule of 2 "no more no less" Only The Sith deal in absolutes(Ep.III) "Do or Do not. there is no try"(Ep.V) -----signature----- "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together." Master Yoda "What, Did you say something?" Luke "He babbles on like this all the time" Ben
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janstett Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 6/26/06 5:36am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	"The Jedi and the Sith are similar in almost every way..." -- Palpatine
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Jaden-Skywalker Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/26/06 6:32am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	darthpup posted: Sith rule of 2 Jedi rule of 2 "no more no less" Only The Sith deal in absolutes(Ep.III) "Do or Do not. there is no try"(Ep.V) Wrong. There are more Jedi out there, and where does it say there can only be 2 Jedi? Notice, Episode V was released 22-years before Episode III. George Lucas is known for contradicitons. -----signature----- PHASED PLASMA PULSE RIFLE
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Darth_Joshy Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 6/26/06 9:44am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	If you read the latest issue of Insider, it explains this saying that Yoda meant either Luke will or won't life the X-Wing, that's what he meant by there is not try. As for Obi-Wan saying that "Only a Sith deals in absolutes", Insider said that just because someone says something doesn't make it true. -----signature----- "Remember yesterday, dream for tomorrow, live for today"
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/26/06 2:23pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	Jaden-Skywalker posted: darthpup posted: Sith rule of 2 Jedi rule of 2 "no more no less" Only The Sith deal in absolutes(Ep.III) "Do or Do not. there is no try"(Ep.V) Wrong. There are more Jedi out there, and where does it say there can only be 2 Jedi? Notice, Episode V was released 22-years before Episode III. George Lucas is known for contradicitons. Yep, if we go by the films only the Jedi's numbers in the OT dwindle from three(Ben, Luke, Yoda) to two (Luke, Yoda) and then to one (Luke.) The absolutes was I think in the context of only as Sith deals in the absolutes of "You're either with us or against us." -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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sith_rising Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 6/26/06 5:50pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	The lack of Jedi during the OT was due to fear of annhiliation, which would thus end the Jedi line. Obi-Wan and Yoda decided to wait for the son of the Chosen One, whom they would protect and then train. After the Sith are gone, there's no reason to think that Luke would institute the Rule of Two. He'd probably start training as many Jedi as possible, lest something happen to him. As for the Sith, they remain in pairs of two because they will annhiliate themselves if their numbers grow. -----signature----- "My mentor taught me everything about the Force, even the nature of the Dark Side"
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DarthMateous Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 6/27/06 12:56pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	darthpup posted: Is it just me or are the jedi taking sith rules Sith rule of 2 Jedi rule of 2 "no more no less" Only The Sith deal in absolutes(Ep.III) "Do or Do not. there is no try"(Ep.V) MACE WINDU : There is no doubt. The mysterious warrior was a Sith. YODA : Always two there are....no more...no less. A master and an apprentice. MACE WINDU : But which one was destroyed, the master or the apprentice? This quote was in reference to how many TOTAL SITH there are in existence at any point in time. Yoda was quoting the Sith's rule of two.
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anakin_luver Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 6/30/06 1:45pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	Master_Starwalker posted: The absolutes was I think in the context of only as Sith deals in the absolutes of "You're either with us or against us." And the Jedi don't do this?
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Jaden-Skywalker Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/30/06 5:02pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	Not at all. Do you see Jedi attacking those outside the Republic? The citizens of Tatooine for instance, are neither with them or against them. -----signature----- PHASED PLASMA PULSE RIFLE
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/30/06 6:06pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith - Date Edited: 6/30/06 6:07pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	anakin_luver posted: Master_Starwalker posted: The absolutes was I think in the context of only as Sith deals in the absolutes of "You're either with us or against us." And the Jedi don't do this? No, they don't attack the Lost 20 unless they become Sith Lords and they allow non-Republic planets to live in peace unless they threaten the galaxy. The Sith are an exception to this given that they are such a large threat to the galaxy. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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Master_Shaitan Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/4/06 7:03am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	"Only a Sith deal in absolutes" means that its all they do. They base their lives on absolutes. They live by them. They create them. All. The. Time. Although the Jedi do state some absolutes they know that "all the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view" and do what they feel is right in the moment rather than trying to control everything - "always in motion is the future". The Sith don't see it that way. Its either their way or the highway. Full stop.
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darth_frared Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/4/06 9:43am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	i have the sneaking suspicion you don't realize that your post in itself is a generalizing and absolute statement about a group of people you shouldn't make generalizing and absolute statements about. yah? coz you seem to be going down the same path as the PT jedi. once you have been able to paint someone as your opponent you'll never achieve any peace. the PT jedi never strive for reconciliation, there's only killing sith, not understanding their pov. -----signature----- are you out of your vulcan mind?
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 7/4/06 1:53pm Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith - Date Edited: 7/4/06 1:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	The Sith point of view however is one that harms the source of the Jedi's power, ends up with opression and enslavement, and thinks only of themselves. Anakin understood the Sith fairly well in the Opera scene so I think it's not too far of a leap from that to assume that the Jedi do have a good deal of knowledge about the Sith viewpoint but view it as a threat to the galaxy at large. Mace also knew of the Sith's previous opression of the Galaxy. The Sith also wouldn't ever go along with any reconciliation though the Jedi wouldn't either given that the balance is only restored when the Sith are destroyed, which implies that the very existence of the Sith is what throws it out of balance. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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darth_frared Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 7/5/06 2:01am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	you heard of 'the bigger man' though? i don't get how you can use something that is being spouted from one side of the equation obviously as a truth. it just doesn't work like that. the jedi are no longer neutral when it comes to the sith, and they have no clue anyway. with hindsight maybe, either way they don't try engaging in reconciliation, though, enlightenment or no enlightenment. -----signature----- are you out of your vulcan mind?
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Carnage04 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 7/5/06 5:58am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	Huh. I always wondered what the "Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes" line was talking about. Makes a bit more sense now. Anyway, the Jedi didn't keep their numbers to two for the same reasons the Sith did. Obi-Wan wasn't training Luke to go with him to Degobah and charge Yoda's hut so that he may become head Jedi. If the Jedi weren't sworn enemies of the state they would have been plentiful. Carnage -----signature----- Carnage I Finally decided to use a signature after 3500 posts! 3500 posts * 7 Characters = 24500 keystrokes wasted
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Master_Shaitan Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/5/06 7:04am Subject: RE: Jedi the new Sith
	darth_frared posted: i have the sneaking suspicion you don't realize that your post in itself is a generalizing and absolute statement about a group of people you shouldn't make generalizing and absolute statements about. yah? coz you seem to be going down the same path as the PT jedi. once you have been able to paint someone as your opponent you'll never achieve any peace. the PT jedi never strive for reconciliation, there's only killing sith, not understanding their pov. You are suggesing that the Jedi just 'try and get along with the sith'?!?!? Frared - the Sith are evil. They are selfish, greedy beings who think only of themselves. The Jedi are selfless and serve others only. For crying out loud. You make it sound as if the Jedi do what they do for themselves. If that was the case, they would be the sith. They're not. They protect the galaxy. the Sith must be destroyed. The bring oppression and horror. That is all.
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