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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 11/7/07 12:48pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Cryogenic posted: A laugh a day keeps the intellect at bay. Anyway, I didn't say that, sailor. Cryogenic posted: Is Luke the "new hope" in "A New Hope", or is it maybe Han -----signature----- "Flass, I have kids to feed." "What, they don't like falafel?"
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Cryogenic Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/7/07 1:13pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT? - Date Edited: 11/7/07 1:31pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Cryogenic
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Cryogenic posted: A laugh a day keeps the intellect at bay. Anyway, I didn't say that, sailor. Cryogenic posted: Is Luke the "new hope" in "A New Hope", or is it maybe Han Laughing at a MIS-QUOTED COMMENT, with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE to explicate your response .... TWICE? Surely, that's a flame? ANYWAY . . . Luke, in and of himself, is a "new hope", because he has the potential to be trained as a Jedi and fix past mistakes. Han, in and of himself, is NOT a "new hope", but his TRANSFORMATION, which can be said to REPRESENT -- i.e. STAND IN FOR -- the transformation of others in the galaxy, from indifference to caring, is another "new hope". In this sense, "A New Hope" perfectly mirrors "The Phantom Menace", which has these same layers in reverse -- Anakin's naivete, which won't be properly dealt with by the Jedi, but will be exploited by Palpatine / Sidious, is a "phantom menace", while the galaxy itself, which APPEARS to care about human liberty on the surface, but is actually bound up in strict rules and procedures and general indifference, is another "phantom menace". Admittedly, I should have, perhaps, originally said: "Is Luke the 'new hope' in 'A New Hope', or is it maybe the change in attitude embodied by Han?" Nonetheless, I feel I clarified immediately afterwards. This is pedantry at its finest. I hope your confusion has now been lifted. -----signature----- I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films. - Ian McDiarmid
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RamRed Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/07 5:58pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Even with the downfall of the Sith following Palpatine's death, why was it so important to revive the Jedi Order? Was it really that necessary?
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Jedi_of_Valor Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 12/8/07 11:15pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Sure, the Sith are not the only evil in the galaxy, just the most formidable and dangerous. Yes the force is balanced, which would lead me to believe that the Dark Side does not belong in the Galaxy, that there is no "balance" until it is gone, or at least it's users.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 12/9/07 9:23am Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	As long as sentient evil exists, there will always be a dark side. -----signature----- "Flass, I have kids to feed." "What, they don't like falafel?"
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Master_Starwalker Title: PT Moderator Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 12/9/07 10:53am Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Yep. The Force being in balance doesn't destroy the Dark Side, it just stops it from overwhelming the Light as it does when the Sith are around. -----signature----- "Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - The Buddha
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 12/9/07 8:21pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Certain Sith, at least. -----signature----- "Flass, I have kids to feed." "What, they don't like falafel?"
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Master_Starwalker Title: PT Moderator Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 12/9/07 10:39pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	If one brings in the EU, yeah. -----signature----- "Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - The Buddha
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darthytse Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 12/10/07 12:33pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	I started reading the first page and got most of the way through it before I decided I had to post before reading all three pages! My understanding is that the "Balance of the Force" issue was ongoing throughout the six films, and was finally completely balanced when both Palpatine AND Vader died! So, you see, the Jedi Order HAD to be eradicated first, and then the Sith. Sure, that leaves just Luke as a Force-user (and the promise of Leia), and clearly the "will of the Force" sided with the Jedi philosophy, but the Force was in balance because of Anakin AND the actions of his son! So I have no problems seeing Anakin as the "Chosen One," but Lucas has also talked alot about the role of Luke in bringing this process about. It makes total sense to me, but maybe that's just me! -----signature----- "Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they probably repeat word-for-word what you shouldn't have said in the first place." -Anonymous Check out my blog! http://best-days-of-our-lives.blogspot.com
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Master_Starwalker Title: PT Moderator Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 12/10/07 1:12pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	I agree with everything except the Jedi having to be destroyed. -----signature----- "Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - The Buddha
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RamRed Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/12/07 8:33am Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT? - Date Edited: 12/12/07 8:34am (1 edits total) Edited By: RamRed
	Master_Starwalker posted: Yet balance to the Force has never been mentioned in conjunction with the destruction of the Jedi. If that was the case you'd think the death of the Jedi would for one thing not be depicted as a tragedy but also that you'd have Sidious or someone telling Anakin that he's bringing balance to the Force by killing the Jedi. It was never verified or confirmed that only the destruction of the Sith brought about balance to the Force, either. All Lucas had stated was that the Force was finally balanced when Anakin killed Palpatine. But we still don't know that the act of destroying the Sith was the ONLY way to bring balance to the Force. Lucas never really confirmed that. Exactly. So, why is it that the "Prophecy" states that he will destroy the Sith & bring balance to the force? Why does destroying the Sith bring balance? When was it confirmed in the movies that the Prophecy stated that only destroying the Sith would bring balance? Obi-Wan had merely been expressing his own interpretation. In TPM, Qui-Gon clearly stated that there was a prophecy in which a chosen one would bring balance to the Force. Nothing more or nothing less. Of course, you can believe that the sole act of destroying the Sith was the only means to bring balance to the Force. Everyone has his or her own interpretation of what "balance" really meant. So I have no problems seeing Anakin as the "Chosen One," but Lucas has also talked alot about the role of Luke in bringing this process about. It makes total sense to me, but maybe that's just me! Consider this . . . Luke would have never attempted to redeem Anakin if it had not been for the actions of the latter on Bespin.
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Master_Starwalker Title: PT Moderator Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 12/12/07 8:41am Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Ramred posted: It was never verified or confirmed that only the destruction of the Sith brought about balance to the Force, either. All Lucas had stated was that the Force was finally balanced when Anakin killed Palpatine. But we still don't know that the act of destroying the Sith was the ONLY way to bring balance to the Force. Lucas never really confirmed that. "The thing of it is: The prophecy was right. Anakin was the chosen one, and he does bring balance to the Force. He takes the ounce of good still left in him and destroys the Emperor out of compassion for his son." "Which brings us to films 4, 5 and 6, where Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe." “The sad thing is Padme says there is still good in him and Luke says in ROTJ there is good in you. Its recurring. There is good in him. And that will bring balance to the force. He needs to get rid of the Sith and bring balance to the force” Every piece of evidence suggests that the destruction of the Sith was how Anakin brought balance and none mention that there was a way other than that. There's no proof that there was any other way. I thought at first that it was some sort of galactic balance game with the Jedi misreading the Prophecy, but that's been shown not to be the case.. Ramred posted: Consider this . . . Luke would have never attempted to redeem Anakin if it had not been for the actions of the latter on Bespin. I'm not saying Luke is the Chosen One, he's not, but that's not the best way to prove that as Anakin would have never been in a position to destroy the Sith if not for R2-D2, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Padme. -----signature----- "Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - The Buddha
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RamRed Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/14/07 5:59pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	Master_Starwalker posted: Yep. The Force being in balance doesn't destroy the Dark Side, it just stops it from overwhelming the Light as it does when the Sith are around. To me, the Force simply is both light and darkness. And as far as I'm concerned, the Sith were not the only ones whose view or use of the Force was faulty or extreme. I believe that the Jedi - arrogant in their own belief of goodness - were just as guilty.
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Master_Starwalker Title: PT Moderator Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 12/14/07 10:50pm Subject: RE: Is the Force actually balanced during the PT?
	RamRed posted: Master_Starwalker posted: Yep. The Force being in balance doesn't destroy the Dark Side, it just stops it from overwhelming the Light as it does when the Sith are around. To me, the Force simply is both light and darkness. And as far as I'm concerned, the Sith were not the only ones whose view or use of the Force was faulty or extreme. I believe that the Jedi - arrogant in their own belief of goodness - were just as guilty. The Jedi don't deny the existence of the Dark Side though. They simply avoid using it because they understand what will become of those who do. -----signature----- "Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - The Buddha
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