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Eternity85
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What was Sidious` ultimate plan for the galaxy
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Proclaiming himself emperor, and ruler of the galaxy, Sidious had already acquired ultimate power. But what was his vision of the galaxy and the galactic empire? What was his vision for the future? How would the galaxy look like if Sidious and the sith had ruled for over a thousand years?
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timmoishere
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He wanted the Sith to have supremacy.
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Peace, joy and happiness for all man kind in the galaxy which he ruled over with a solid, oppressive, Sith fist that allowed no room for freedom and everyone basically on their knees before him ready to do his bidding. That, in Sidious' opinion would be 'goooooooood'.
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BigBoy29
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I concur with the above post ... that's the answer. Peace out on this fascinating question.
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Master_Starwalker
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Power. Unlimited Power.
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Eternity85 posted:
How would the galaxy look like if Sidious and the sith had ruled for over a thousand years?
If we can imagine an OT-era galaxy without the presence of that pesky Rebellion, I think we'll have our answer. Total control of all facets of economic, social, inductrial and religious life would rest in the hands of the Emperor.
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Darth-Ghost
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He would have eventually replaced the Imperial System with a Dark Side Theocracy, replace the Moffs with Darksiders he controlled, discover immortality and kill his apprentice, enslave everyone in the galazy by the Dark Side and continuously feed off their fear and suffering, and with total control over his galaxy the Empire would be spread as an unstoppable force to every galaxy until he dominated the Universe and forced all the survivors/slaves to worship him as God.
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I'm sure he wouldn't want other dark side users around. He'd want to control people, and it's easier to control them if he's the only one with the power. Anyone else using the force would be a threat to him.
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What was Sidious` ultimate plan for the galaxy?
It's an interesting question. The obvious answer would naturally be power. But power over what, or whom, and for whom, or for what?
Because when you think about power in terms of the real world; it's generally associated with the aquisition of money, sex or fame; things that are prized in the flesh because it makes the burden of 'living' easier. The Sith however aren't really interested in any of these; atleast not to a degree greater than dark side ability. And really; Palpatine already had all of those things at his fingertips.
I think the only difference between Sidious and a real life dictator is that in the Star Wars Universe everlasting life was something (believed to be) attainable in the flesh form; that is: immortality in the flesh. Whethor or not the goal was a pipe dream is irrelevent because if the Sith ultimately see this as the final goal; then the Universe would be viewed as 'disposable' if death is a certainty. And if that were so, what would be the purpose of controlling something that is fleeting? If the Sith agenda was learning; or finding the metaphorical fountain of youth; then having the galaxy at their beck and call would mean a better chance at success, since it would give them access to all the resources and knowledge of the known inhabitants.
The side effects of such a goal would be a general squandering of natural and "human" resources (for lack of a better word) through a massive build up and retension of a military industrial complex, an oppressive regime of 'big brother' keeping tabs on all sentient beings whereever possible, and the elimination of all opposition to the overall agenda.
The Sith managed to get revenge on the Jedi in their successful take over of the Republic; if that was indeed a real goal for Sidious; which is likely given his dialogue to Yoda in Ep 3. However once the take over was complete, that initial goal was satisfied. So if there was an alternate agenda in mind; it could be an ideological one. Perhaps the Sith feel that the force empowered beings are there to have power over the non-empowered force beings. The other things; such as Sith mythology, teachings and lore might just be there to help them pertetuate their belief in that 'destiny'. Since the Jedi generally humble themselves to doing good deeds on behalf of the non force sensitive; or more correctly, puting the welfare of the non force users above the force users, perhaps this fundamental difference of the Sith and the Jedi is what led to the conflict between the two factions to begin with. Getting rid of the Jedi then serves to fulfill the 'destiny' of the Sith Order: conquest over the weak for stability of real (Sith) power and ideals. At least this is perhaps how they see it.
For my money; the answer to the question is one of two things and perhaps even both:
1) The enslavement of the non force sensitive to the force sensitive to maintain stability and insure the welfare of the real power in the universe
2) The enslavement of all living and non living reasources to attain the goal of everlasting life in the flesh as well as control over the creation and destruction of life.
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Darth-Ghost
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T-R- posted:
I'm sure he wouldn't want other dark side users around. He'd want to control people, and it's easier to control them if he's the only one with the power. Anyone else using the force would be a threat to him.
They would also be mentally enslaved to him. I know it's not movie canon, but it is his ultimate plan as shown in the EU, particularly Dark Empire.
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In the original "Rollerball", it's revealed that multi-national corporations had provided everyone with a comfortable life. There was no war, crime, poverty or want. And all that people had to do in return was not to question corporate decisions. In effect, "do as I say and you'll be happy".
I'd say that was what Palpatine's plan was, or so he thought to himself. He'd give everyone peace and prosperity and bring the GFFA into a grand age of unlimited glory. And all the public had to do was not oppose him. I doubt he felt he could have absolute control over every living being in the very big galaxy, but he didn't need to. Most of them would follow him like sheep, anyway, as they did the Republic. I'm sure he figured as long as the public kept out of his way, all would be well.
However, his thirst for power would inevitably increase. The more he got, the more he'd want. As time went on, he'd get more convinced that even the slightest disagreement was open rebellion. He'd convince himself that more control over more people would bring the peace and prosperity he'd promised to provide. And all the while he'd keep telling himself, "It's for their own good. If only they'd let me do what was needed..."
Actually, that's how it turned out, from what I could see.
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I imagine he wanted to rule the galaxy through the Force and live forever.
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Actually, I really do not think that Sidious had planned ahead for the future. He just wanted to be on top, with the Sith being better than the Jedi just like they had been in anceint times. Sidious just wanted power to do anything he wanted.
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Power.
To preserve, maintain, and extend his own totalitarian regime. Power for the sake of itself. There is no vision.
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The Sith seem to be all about control for its own sake. Not necessarily to achieve any particular result.
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Actually, Palpatine's Empire was not as bad as we are led to think. Jonathan Last of The Weekly Standard has written about this:
Lucas wants the Empire to stand for evil, so he tells us that the Emperor and Darth Vader have gone over to the Dark Side and dresses them in black.
But look closer. When Palpatine is still a senator, he says, "The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. There is no interest in the common good." At one point he laments that "the bureaucrats are in charge now."
Palpatine believes that the political order must be manipulated to produce peace and stability. When he mutters, "There is no civility, there is only politics," we see that at heart, he's an esoteric Straussian.
Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet. It's a dictatorship people can do business with. They collect taxes and patrol the skies. They try to stop organized crime (in the form of the smuggling rings run by the Hutts). The Empire has virtually no effect on the daily life of the average, law-abiding citizen.
Also, unlike the divine-right Jedi, the Empire is a meritocracy. The Empire runs academies throughout the galaxy (Han Solo begins his career at an Imperial academy), and those who show promise are promoted, often rapidly. In "The Empire Strikes Back" Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job."
And while it's a small point, the Empire's manners and decorum speak well of it. When Darth Vader is forced to employ bounty hunters to track down Han Solo, he refuses to address them by name. Even Boba Fett, the greatest of all trackers, is referred to icily as "bounty hunter." And yet Fett understands the protocol. When he captures Solo, he calls him "Captain Solo."
Last continues:
None of which is to say that the Empire isn't sometimes brutal. In Episode IV, Imperial stormtroopers kill Luke's aunt and uncle and Grand Moff Tarkin orders the destruction of an entire planet, Alderaan. But viewed in context, these acts are less brutal than they initially appear. Poor Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen reach a grisly end, but only after they aid the rebellion by hiding Luke and harboring two fugitive droids. They aren't given due process, but they are traitors.
The destruction of Alderaan is often cited as ipso facto proof of the Empire's "evilness" because it seems like mass murder--planeticide, even. As Tarkin prepares to fire the Death Star, Princess Leia implores him to spare the planet, saying, "Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons." Her plea is important, if true.
But the audience has no reason to believe that Leia is telling the truth. In Episode IV, every bit of information she gives the Empire is willfully untrue. In the opening, she tells Darth Vader that she is on a diplomatic mission of mercy, when in fact she is on a spy mission, trying to deliver schematics of the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance. When asked where the Alliance is headquartered, she lies again.
Finally, what happens once the Empire is destroyed?
In Episode IV, after Grand Moff Tarkin announces that the Imperial Senate has been abolished, he's asked how the Emperor can possibly hope to keep control of the galaxy. "The regional governors now have direct control over territories," he says. "Fear will keep the local systems in line."
So under Imperial rule, a large group of regional potentates, each with access to a sizable army and star destroyers, runs local affairs. These governors owe their fealty to the Emperor. And once the Emperor is dead, the galaxy will be plunged into chaos.
In all of the time we spend observing the Rebel Alliance, we never hear of their governing strategy or their plans for a post-Imperial universe. All we see are plots and fighting. Their victory over the Empire doesn't liberate the galaxy--it turns the galaxy into Somalia writ large: dominated by local warlords who are answerable to no one.
Which makes the rebels--Lucas's heroes--an unimpressive crew of anarchic royals who wreck the galaxy so that Princess Leia can have her tiara back.
I'll take the Empire.
He actually has a point.
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