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The Phantom Menace - What does it add to the Saga?
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DRush76
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5/27 10:15pm
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It begins the story of the Skywalker line. It introduces the downfall of the Republic and the Jedi, along with the rise of Palpatine. It also serves as the introduction of Anakin's relationships with Padme, Obi-Wan and Palpatine (near the end).
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Jango_Fett21
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5/28 10:26am
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For me, one of the significant things that TPM contributes that the other two prequels do not is that makes Obi-Wan more than just the archetypal 'wise old mentor'. We're shown glimpses of insight into Obi-Wan's true character in the original films, but TPM gives us more than just a glimpse; the film fleshes out Obi-Wan's character in a way that none of the other films do, and finally allows him to transcend the basic mythic archetype upon which he was based.
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xx_Anakin_xx
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5/28 2:38pm
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Well I could write an essay, but essentially all of the things I love about TPM and feel it added to the saga have been stated (you guys are too good  ). My only one-liner left is that I love the PT and the OT the same amount and the saga would not be the same without any of them, including TPM.
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DARTH_BELO
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5/29 10:40pm
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xx_Anakin_xx posted:
Well I could write an essay, but essentially all of the things I love about TPM and feel it added to the saga have been stated (you guys are too good ). My only one-liner left is that I love the PT and the OT the same amount and the saga would not be the same without any of them, including TPM.
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zeekveerko
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5/30 8:45am
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drg4 posted:
The Senate session, where the "beautiful, but sad" young woman unwittingly hands the reins of power over to her children's tormentor. We'd always assumed that was Father's claim to fame--but his was comparatively inconsequential.
Neat story.
Nice. Never thought of that angle.
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Arawn_Fenn
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drg4 posted:
The Senate session, where the "beautiful, but sad" young woman
"Beautiful but sad" in TPM, eh?  Heh, heh. The Force indeed...
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zeekveerko
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5/30 6:12pm
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She was both in all 3 movies.
1--she's sad for Naboo
2--she's sad for herself
3--she's sad for the entire galaxy
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DRush76
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But regrettably that didn't work out nearly as well as it could have. Instead of developing Jar-Jar into the wise fool character, Lucas enthusiasm for the innovative CGI completely overwhelmed the purpose this character could have served. Jar-Jar was seriously overused and my suspicion is that as a result his role was greatly reduced in AOTC and all but written out in ROTS. So unfortunately we'll never know what the original intent was for Jar-Jar and what his role could have been.
I feel differently. I think that Lucas' handling of Jar-Jar declined, due to the fans' negative reaction to the character in TPM.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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6/2 1:22pm
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According to McCallum the original plan was to have little to no Jar-Jar in Episode II and III, but because of the incredible reaction he got in TPM, they made sure to include more of him in AOTC and ROTS.
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Vortigern99
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6/2 2:18pm
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^ ^  Jar Jar is in ROTS for about three seconds. That statement doesn't even come close to describing reality. Either McCallum was deeply in error when he made the statement, or Go-Mer, you are for misreporting it.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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He was talking about Jar-Jar's involvement beyond I, not just III.
Someone asked him if the negative reaction to Jar-Jar was responsible for Jar-Jar having a lesser amount of screen time in Episode II compared to Episode I, and he said if anything, the Jar-Jar controversy prompted them to make Jar-Jar more important in Episode II.
I would imagine had there not been a huge uproar, we wouldn't have even seen Jar-Jar in episode III.
Here is something he had to say at the Episode II DVD press event.
A general question was asked of those on stage: For Episode III did they take into account feedback they had received from fans following the previous two movies? Everyone knew the real question behind that one: Did all the hate for Jar-Jar and the Gungen race relate into fewer and fewer scenes with them in the movies? McCallum bravely spoke up. "(Episode I) was designed for kids ... no doubt about it," he said. "We did not have Jar-Jar as much in (the later movies), not due to fan reaction, (but because) he fulfilled his mission in Episode I." Before anyone could ask what that mission was, Oz spoke up: "I love Jar-Jar. As an adult I loved this guy. He cracked me up."
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Darth-Stryphe
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6/2 4:17pm
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Yes, I'd heard that before, but where did he say they added more JJB because of fan reaction, and why in particular -- to try and make them like JJB more?
I loved the fact JJB was the one to usher in Palpatine's emergancy powers, although I never understood why Padme trusted him to represent her while she was away.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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He said it around the time of Episode II's release, but I can't find it on google at the moment.
Why did he do it? Maybe he did it to make a point about who's movie saga it was.
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Darth-Seldon
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6/2 5:22pm
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Darth-Stryphe posted:
I loved the fact JJB was the one to usher in Palpatine's emergancy powers, although I never understood why Padme trusted him to represent her while she was away.
All I can say to that is that Padme isn't the best judge of character. Look who she married...
The use of JJB in EII, is simply brilliant. Eager to transcend his earlier role as a clumsy idiot, Jar Jar unintentionally contributes to a major galactic coup. It almost makes me excuse his obnoxious moments in "Menace." It all adds up to that great Senate scene and the upheval designed by Palpatine.
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Darth-Stryphe
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All I can say to that is that Padme isn't the best judge of character. Look who she married...
LOL! Point taken. That was one of my great disappointments of AOTC. Padme seemed to excersize such great judgement in TPM, but her sense of wisdom seemed to take a dive in AOTC.
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