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Darth-Stryphe
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RE: The Phantom Menace - What does it add to the Saga?
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Critics who thought Jar-Jar was "hogging the spotlight" must have been focusing on the negative, because Jar-Jar was a secondary character.
I'll let you hammer that out with the JJB critics. For our discussion its enough to say he had a significant amount of screentime in one movie, and a much smaller role in the other(s).
I like Jar-Jar, and if you don't like him, go watch someone else's movies. Something he's said point blank in many interviews. It's not like he ever returned the insults some people threw his way. He even goes out of his way to compliment his detractor's imaginations.
Well when I mean tit-for-tat I didn't necessarily mean an insult for an insult, but rather one poor attitude for another. Telling someone it like it or lump it isn't the kindest thing in the world to do, its kind of petty in-and-of-itself, especially when he could stay true to his vision without having to directly address detractors at all.
But I guess we just have different views on ethics, and one thing people like us (you and I) should have learned by now its ethical, philosphical or any other such views are rarely, if ever, changed in a sci-fi forum 
As far as some people taking Jar-Jar's lesser amount of screen time as some sort of concession, that would be their incorrect assumption.
I'm not asserting that it does (only that it might), but if your assessment of RM's comments were correct and GL wanted to send that message, and he didn't choose the most effectual method. I make that statement merely as a "based on results" perspective. A lot of JJB's detractors assumed GL either was either cutting him back for lack of useful ideas on the character or that he was trying to appease them (a lot of the later). I cannot think of anyone off the top of my head that thought was a message being sent their way about Saga ownership. GL sent that message very effectively with the O-OT, but not so much with JJB in AOTC.
At least according to Lucas, he knew there was a percentage of Star Wars fans who weren't going to like Jar-Jar going in, and he wasn't concerned with that. He said some people didn't like the droids in ANH, some people didn't like Yoda being a puppet in ESB, some people didn't like the Ewoks and now some people don't like Jar-Jar. He went on to say that wasn't going to stop him from including these kinds of things in his movies.
Oh, well that was evident. I meant just specifically in regards to JJB's AOTC role.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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Darth-Stryphe posted:
I like Jar-Jar, and if you don't like him, go watch someone else's movies. Something he's said point blank in many interviews. It's not like he ever returned the insults some people threw his way. He even goes out of his way to compliment his detractor's imaginations.
Well when I mean tit-for-tat I didn't necessarily mean an insult for an insult, but rather one poor attitude for another. Telling someone it like it or lump it isn't the kindest thing in the world to do, its kind of petty in-and-of-itself, especially when he could stay true to his vision without having to directly address detractors at all.
But I guess we just have different views on ethics, and one thing people like us (you and I) should have learned by now its ethical, philosphical or any other such views are rarely, if ever, changed in a sci-fi forum
When it comes to someone's art, I don't see how it's in any way unkind or unethical to tell someone else that it's too bad if they don't like it. To me Lucas shows artistic integrity by following his own sense of taste, and not letting anyone else tell him what to do.
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Darth-Stryphe
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Date Posted:
6/9 10:08am
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We can agree (to a point) on the latter part of your point, but we disagree on how that is appropriately, or perhaps said, best expressed. Oh well, the world will still go round  , but if you and I agree on too much, it might not anymore! 
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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Let's certainly not get into the level of appropriateness when it comes to Lucas' detractors.
I would suggest that even if Lucas was less than diplomatic about asserting his artistic license, he still managed better than the people who hated Jar-Jar.
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rich-narco
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TPM, for me, establishes an era of many jedi, general peace (apart from the little foray at Naboo) and a galaxy filled with many interplanetary relationships. Works very very well and those who bash it just don't want to see it for what it is : a great set up foreshadowing the story we already know.
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syphadias2542
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i think it shows the human side of the chosen one that he is just a man and in the end a human
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Darth-Stryphe posted:
Yes, I'd heard that before, but where did he say they added more JJB because of fan reaction, and why in particular -- to try and make them like JJB more?
I loved the fact JJB was the one to usher in Palpatine's emergancy powers, although I never understood why Padme trusted him to represent her while she was away.
This is just a guess, but I would imagine that after TPM a coalition was formed between the Naboo and the Gungans. Naturally since both societies had a role in the Naboo System's welfare, both would have a representative in the senate. With Padme absent, Naboo's voice would be left to the Gungan representative. I suppose they could have both had understudies, but perhaps that was against senate policy. I guess we'd have to see the by-laws of the galactic senate to really know the details.
I'm not sure why Jar Jar would have been elected to sit in the senate but perhaps it was due to his part in forming an alliance with the Naboo. He actually made some fairly intelligent choices in getting characters "from here to there" and "working on the same side".
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I think people should just be grateful Jar-Jar didn't get a flock of decoys like Amidala did.
Decoy Jar-Jar: Yousa tinken weeson going to the capitalsa?
Real Jar-Jar in disguise: Weesa braveio yousa highnessa.
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Darth-Stryphe
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Well, that would have been interesting, to say the least.
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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Every saga has its beginning and thats what The Phantom Menace is.
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BigBoy29
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I always thought A New Hope was first ... 
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MatthewZ
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What does it add?
Act I: Introduction to characters
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