Author Topic: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Master_Starwalker 
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Date Posted: 7/16/08 11:47pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered? - Date Edited: 7/16/08 11:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
It means that Obi-Wan's statement must be looked at in context. It's a comeback to Vader saying that Obi-Wan is either with him or is his enemy. He's not saying that Jedi never use absolutes, but rather that only a Sith believes allegiance is so binary.

Another interpretation(and the one pushed by Star Wars Insider) is that Obi-Wan was simply speaking in the heat of the moment and wasn't thinking clearly.

 

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DarthApocalypse 
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Date Posted: 7/17/08 5:46am Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered? - Date Edited: 7/17/08 5:48am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthApocalypse
Your first explanation doesn't make sense. Obi-Wan says only Sith deal in absolutes, which logically must mean that he believes all other groups (including Jedi) don't deal in absolutes. It's also an inherent contradiction since that statement itself is an absolute. Your second explanation that Obi-Wan was speaking in the heat of the moment and wasn't thinking clearly is much more logical.

 

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Raider88 
Registered: May '08
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Date Posted: 8/8/08 12:50pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Here's something I never knew:

Did Count Dooku know that Sidious was Palpatine?

 

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Darth-Stryphe 
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Date Posted: 8/8/08 4:06pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Hmmm, good question. Did he? I think so. I don't think the dark robes would have been enough to hide his indentity from his apprentice.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what EU says on the matter?

 

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Raider88 
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Date Posted: 8/8/08 6:49pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered? - Date Edited: 8/8/08 6:51pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Raider88
I mean, in all the EU material I've read featuring the two, Sidious always communicates with Dooku via hologram. When have they ever been together in person? Possibly to prevent Dooku from removing those robes thus discovering who he really is?

 

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DarthApocalypse 
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Date Posted: 8/8/08 9:25pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
According to the ROTS novel Dooku knew the two were one and the same.

 

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Raider88 
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Date Posted: 8/8/08 10:06pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Cool. Thanks.

 

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Gry Sarth 
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Date Posted: 8/13/08 5:27pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Raider88 posted:
I mean, in all the EU material I've read featuring the two, Sidious always communicates with Dooku via hologram. When have they ever been together in person? Possibly to prevent Dooku from removing those robes thus discovering who he really is?


Where have they ever met in person? Uh, the end of Attack of the Clones?

I do believe Dooku knew Palps was Sidious. In Ep3, when Palps orders Anakin to kill him, Dooku gives him a very "What the heck are you doing?" look. It seems they had planned for this encounter to play out a bit differently and Palpatine sorta betrayed his apprentice at the end, in favour of corrupting Anakin.

 

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Master_Starwalker 
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Date Posted: 8/13/08 10:35pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered? - Date Edited: 8/13/08 10:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
DarthApocalypse posted:
Your first explanation doesn't make sense. Obi-Wan says only Sith deal in absolutes, which logically must mean that he believes all other groups (including Jedi) don't deal in absolutes. It's also an inherent contradiction since that statement itself is an absolute. Your second explanation that Obi-Wan was speaking in the heat of the moment and wasn't thinking clearly is much more logical.


How does it not make sense? Obi-Wan believes other groups have a more nuanced view of allegiance(including the Jedi) and the Sith don't. The statement is an absolute, but he never said the Jedi don't use them in statements.

 

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TheGreatestPhoenix 
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Date Posted: 8/16/08 6:30am Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Of course Dooku knew Sidious was Palpatine, it was obvious to me as a young boy before seeing the Sequels that the old guy with the cloak is reminiscent of the wise old senator.

 

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GrandAdmiral_Frank 
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Date Posted: 8/17/08 9:19pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
What species is Yoda? Yes we'll never know but I was under the impression we would find out in ROTS.

 

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TheGreatestPhoenix 
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Date Posted: 8/17/08 10:49pm Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
He's like a frog elf.

 

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Darthbane2007 
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Date Posted: 8/18/08 6:58am Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
GrandAdmiral_Frank posted:
What species is Yoda? Yes we'll never know but I was under the impression we would find out in ROTS.


I don't think Lucas would allow it just yet, kind of like how we don't know where Palpatine came from, or who Darth Plageius really is.

 

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Raider88 
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Date Posted: 8/18/08 7:49am Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
Are Yoda and Yaddle the only "frog elves" we've seen (movies and EU)?

 

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Darth-Stryphe 
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Date Posted: 8/18/08 10:15am Subject: RE: What questions do you think remain unanswered?
No idea, and what happened to Yaddle, anyway?

 

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