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Vortigern99
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6/4 9:56am
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^ ^ ^ That's actually a very good assessment of the development of the family aspects of the Saga. The only element of it that I can see as arguable is the assertion that Lucas toyed with the idea of Vader's paternity prior to 'ANH'. There is no written record of this, in any draft, script or notes.
But of course we've had this discussion before, and it probably belongs in the Secret History thread, or in the Vader's Origins thread in the CT Forum.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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Well he didn't write it down somewhere where we would have access to it, but he's said it.
The lack of supporting evidence certainly doesn't disprove his statements. Especially when you consider the "I am your father" moment was one of the best kept -secrets- in the history of film making.
And yes, this particular point/counterpoint has been repeated into the ground in the Secret History thread.
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darth_frared
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DarthDuckie posted:
Yep, it's the same for every story ever told, but the legions of people critiquing the story in minute detail as we do here and then wanting to quote the author's utterances as irrevocable evidence to support their points of view, combined with the willingness of the author to make such utterances put SW in a different position than most stories.
well, i don't know if our life here, scrutinising the saga is different from other pop culture phenomena...
authors are frequently asked to comment on their work, lucas isn't an exception. he's not an exception in being misinterpreted or misunderstood either, although that implies that there is a *right* interpretation to be had so we better forget about this very quickly.
also people referring to a source of authority to establish their interpretation as valid isn't so terribly new. still secretly wondering what the point of this is 
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DarthDuckie
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Secretly wondering on an internet message board, eh? 
I hear what you're saying, but not everyone agrees with the idea that all interpretations are valid. There are people who will say "No, you're wrong, because Lucas said this, that or the other." I guess the question I'm asking is to what extent this should be done.
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Darth-Stryphe
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What, you mean the speculation?
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DarthDuckie
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The quoting of GL as definitive proof that a certain interpretation is "right".
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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According to Lucas, we should take him at his word.
Or at least I think he implies that between the words he does say.
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darth_frared
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so are we now interpreting lucas as well as his work? is lucas then a work of art? 
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Darth-Stryphe
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The quoting of GL as definitive proof that a certain interpretation is "right".
That depends on how much you believe\trust him. You just have to decide that for yourself, I'd say.
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DarthDuckie
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^ ^ ^
I think that sums it up pretty well.
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NZPoe
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To be fair to this - arguably bizzare - thread, I would say - despite being a Lucas fan - that old George DID have a phenomenal amount of PR being pushed around him in the 80's and 90's about the wealth of his "imagination".
This certainly created an air around him - for a lot of fans - that Lucas lives in Star-Wars-Land perpetually and he has "worked everything out". I don't blame fans - especially those who were kids in the 80's and 90's - for thinking that George Lucas is a walking Star Wars encyclopedia. Clearly that is not the case and has never been, despite what some PR in the 80's had subtextually implied.
But as the power of behind-the-scenes docos and DVD technology has shown, Lucas's main focus is in story and where his characters are going and how they get there. The rest is whimsy...and that is what's common with most people in Lucas's position.
Which is fine.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Darth-Seldon posted:
Some fans seem to think that Lucas has Greedo's family tree mapped out
Actually that was Tom Veitch.
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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George probably doesn't worry about those details. He doesn't know about all that history of the Star Wars that would take place in the days of KOTOR. He probaby still doesn't know the way parces is used. But he made all this so I love him.
Keep in my mind these are just his creation and movies he wanted to do. He never intended for it to get this big and he never probably thinks of it as we do because he made it. It's his most famous life work but it won't excite him like it would for us.
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Arawn_Fenn
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GrandAdmiral_Frank posted:
He probaby still doesn't know the way parces is used.
Oh, he now knows it's a unit of distance, going by AOTC. But I don't think a parsec in the GFFA is the same as a parsec in our universe. Perhaps it's a scalar multiple of our parsec, like a dekaparsec or something. The reason I say this is because Tatooine and Geonosis are supposed to be within a parsec of each other, which I find highly doubtful in the extreme.
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I saw an interview with George where he looked like a babbaling fool. They were interviewing him about the new Clone Wars TV Show and he told the person interviewing him that the clone wars take place between episodes 1 and 2. C'mon George. Plus at Celebration III he confused Jay Lagiea(sp) with Bodie Taylor the whole interiew. Niether Rick McCallum or Jay corrected him either, because he is George Lucas. Granted Jay and Bodie look alike, but the Director should now his own actors. He looked like a fool. I don't think we will see him at a Con anytime soon due to that. I think George really does not have the knowlage of the Universe he created that he should and theat disapoints me.
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