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EECHUUTA
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RE: is Darth Vader still the chosen one / is he truly
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
Actually, I'm pretty sure the historians of the GFFA remember Anakin/Vader as a mass-murdering ****-head, even if one Jedi says he repented at the end.
True. The Chosen One thing and the Prophecy mostly have importace to Jedi. The regular joe Shmoes wouldn't know or even care if the Force was 'out of balance.' I have a feeling Jedi mostly are tolerated, that most people just think of them as a group with spooky powers and good fighting abilities, and a religious sect that happens to have large influence in politics.
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xx_Anakin_xx
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Of course Anakin was the chosen one, George Lucas said so and he wrote the story, you can re-write it to your liking, but the canon won't change. He destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force, allowing for the republic to be restored and the Jedi to be rebuilt.
Anakin was on a path from birth as the chosen one. He ran into many roadblocks and stumbled over them and finally fell. He was still on the path of the chosen one even as Darth Vader, it was just like a bit of a detour. Finally Luke came along and showed him that if he made a "right" turn, just up ahead, he could get back on the path. Mr. Sith Vader didn't want to go right, he wanted to go left. Fortunately Mr. Jedi Anakin was stronger, strengthened by the sight of the path he'd lost so long before. He killed Vader and then turned right. Unfortunately, Sidious was now blocking the path and he had Luke as a hostage. So Anakin had to kill Sidious and free his son and then Anakin finally was able to complete his journey along the path of the chosen one.
So yes, Anakin is the chosen one and Luke is the son of the chosen one (as Leia is the daughter). Anakin was the hero of the story and Luke was like the road sign that allowed the hero to ultimately complete his hero's journey. 
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BigBoy29
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xx_Anakin_xx posted:
Of course Anakin was the chosen one, George Lucas said so and he wrote the story, you can re-write it to your liking, but the canon won't change. He destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force, allowing for the republic to be restored and the Jedi to be rebuilt.
Anakin was on a path from birth as the chosen one. He ran into many roadblocks and stumbled over them and finally fell. He was still on the path of the chosen one even as Darth Vader, it was just like a bit of a detour. Finally Luke came along and showed him that if he made a "right" turn, just up ahead, he could get back on the path. Mr. Sith Vader didn't want to go right, he wanted to go left. Fortunately Mr. Jedi Anakin was stronger, strengthened by the sight of the path he'd lost so long before. He killed Vader and then turned right. Unfortunately, Sidious was now blocking the path and he had Luke as a hostage. So Anakin had to kill Sidious and free his son and then Anakin finally was able to complete his journey along the path of the chosen one.
So yes, Anakin is the chosen one and Luke is the son of the chosen one (as Leia is the daughter). Anakin was the hero of the story and Luke was like the road sign that allowed the hero to ultimately complete his hero's journey.
Dude, you gotta watch ESB and Jedi a few more times my man. Luke was working 9 to 5 on this stuff. Vader was the road sign/stiff on all this.
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rumsmuggler
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Luke wasn't the one who fulfilled the prophecy though. In the OT, Luke did a lot of things and is a hero as well, but he isn't the chosen one, his father was. After Anakin/Vader died, the chosen one mantle sorta passed down to the skywalker family in my opinion, but Anakin put the force back into balance, while his descendants are doing their part to keep the balance.
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BigBoy29
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Understood.
I like the "Skywalker Family" inference you put forth - as it jives more with my own "Vader minus Luke = jack s#!&" approach.
Apoligies to my man xx Anakin xx ... did'nt mean to come off like a jerk in my response - but I did.
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DarthDuckie
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Whilst I agree that Lucas's intention was that the prophecy was fulfilled, I don't think it's actually stated anywhere in the movies that it was. It could be that the prophecy was false and what unfolded had nothing to do with it.
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NEO: It was a lie, Morpheus. The prophecy was a lie. The One was never meant to end anything. It was all another system of control.
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Ziekfried
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I don't know why people keep saying Luke save Anakin. Luke was being blasted to death by Sidious and Vader when he had enough of if couldn't bear to see his son dying and in pain so he chose to change himself. George Lucas said himself that Luke became what Anakin was supposed to be; Now whether that means he became the chosen one or he was the heroic Jedi that Anakin was supposed to be I dunno. I do know that the proper story states that Anakin is the chosen one and he killed Sidious not Luke. As far as heroic deeds go both of them were war Heroes and Anakin ended the clone wars even if it was as a Sith.
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rumsmuggler
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Ziekfried posted:
I don't know why people keep saying Luke save Anakin.
Anakin told Luke that he saved him right before he died. Did you miss that bud?
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Jack1138
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It is all written and seen right before your eyes.
Mace: "You speak of the prophesy of the one who will bring BALANCE to the force. You believe it is this boy?"
KEY word right there, BALANCE. The old Jedi knights did not quite 'get it.' They had the proverbial "Blinders" on. They saw themselves and their order as the only truths and there could be NO deviation from that whatsoever! The sith used this fact against them. Qui-Gon saw that Anakin was the chosen one. Nobody in the order was willing to buy that. This reminds me of the lore of the old testament vs. the new testament and the fall of Jesus 'back in the day.'
(I am not going to go religious here.)
So, by the Jedi's 'rules' Anakin was not to be trained because he was too old. He had emotional attachments that violated their charter. Reluctantly, Yoda allowed Obi-Wan to train Anakin. He feared his training.
Anakin became a great Jedi but pretty much violated every Jedi rule in the book because they NEEDED to be violated. The sith again used this against the Jedi and turned Anakin into Darth Vader. Playing upon his emotions they did. So take a look at the time line...
By his early 20's Anakin was living in the Light side of the force, a hero of the republic yet an emotional wreck. Palpatine uses that and from his mid 20's to his late 40's he is living in the Dark side of the force as Darth Vader. ....BALANCE.
It DID take his son LUKE to make him see this. Took a bit of doing, losing a hand and such, but you can see in ROTJ, PRIOR to the final battle, Vader was changing. (The hallway scene on Endor.)
During the final battle between Luke and Vader, Luke takes him down in anger and realizes he is close to the darkside. He refuses to fight and the emperor tries to kill him. Vader has now seen enough. He has lost his humanity, He has lost Padme, He refuses to lose his son and kills the emperor with his last breaths. He becomes Anakin again.
In his last moments, Anakin asks Luke to help him take off his mask so he can look on him with his own eyes. Luke is hesitant because Anakin will die. Anakin knows this but tells Luke that he was right about him.
Anakin WAS the chosen one. He lived half of his life in the light and the other half in the Dark. He came back at the end and broke the chain of the Sith.
That and George Lucas said so! 
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Why does one have to be a heroic Jedi to be the Chosen One? Wasn't being the Chosen One have to do with bringing balance to the Force? Balancing both the dark and the light? And helping with the destruction of the two extremes - the Jedi of the Old Republic and the Sith of the Empire?
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Ziekfried posted:
As far as heroic deeds go both of them were war Heroes and Anakin ended the clone wars even if it was as a Sith.
Palpatine ended the Clone Wars...since, you know, both sides were under his control. Vader didn't end the war, he brutally murdered the separatist leaders in a Hitleresque purge.
DRush76 posted:
Why does one have to be a heroic Jedi to be the Chosen One? Wasn't being the Chosen One have to do with bringing balance to the Force? Balancing both the dark and the light? And helping with the destruction of the two extremes - the Jedi of the Old Republic and the Sith of the Empire?
Is seeing the Jedi order as an archaic extreme the general consensus on this forum? Where does this idea come from? Interpretations of what we see in the films? EU stuff I've ignored? Lack of understanding or rejection of the eastern philosophies the Jedi order was partially influenced by (perhaps coupled with a primarily "western" perspective)?
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Eta-2 posted:
Is seeing the Jedi order as an archaic extreme the general consensus on this forum? Where does this idea come from? Interpretations of what we see in the films? EU stuff I've ignored? Lack of understanding or rejection of the eastern philosophies the Jedi order was partially influenced by (perhaps coupled with a primarily "western" perspective)?
Yes, yes, and yes, and also certain comments in Lucas' verbal shorthand that have been blown somewhat out of proportion.
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syphadias2542 posted:
the concept of the chosen one was one who brought balance to the force, both light and dark. but in the end didn't darth vader fulfill the prophecy, even though he brought turbulence to the force. the other side of the story is didn't luke bring darth back to Anikin, therefore bringing balance to the force meaning he was the chosen one its a very simple question, anyway something to think about.
It's the most simplistic idea in the entire saga, IMO - and for some reason people read far too much into it.
How could Luke have been the Chosen One, when it was Anakin who destroyed the Sith?
I mean, Anakin was conceived by the Force itself. That is a dead give away on its own.
All Luke did was help Anakin to find his greater destiny.
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Darky5K
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I like the idea that Luke plays a catalyst of sorts to pull Anakin back from the depths of Vader. Anakin, however, DID kill Palpatine, which allowed the Empire to fall.
Anakin was Light and Dark equally his entire life. His whole life was divided into those two halfs. Never before had one gone completely Dark and redeemed themselves, Yoda says this. Yet, Anakin did. He took on that pain and suffering of the Dark Side, and then defeated it by betraying it, and killing it's most powerful user. The Battle of Endor was pretty much Armageddon in space.
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