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Darth_Nub  165 posts
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Date Posted: 10/19 4:47am Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9 - Date Edited: 10/19 5:08am (3 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Nub
There is no need or reason for GL to make a/the Sequel Trilogy, that's why the title of this thread is somewhat meaningless.

Putting aside the desire of every Star Wars fan to see more Lucas-penned adventures beyond the Battle of Endor, the saga was wrapped up very neatly in Episode VI. Whatever ideas GL, Gary Kurtz, Lawrence Kasdan et al had during the years 1978-1982 (accurately reported or not) were well & truly dealt with in ROTJ:

- "no, there is another" - it's Leia, she's Luke's sister, right there, not on the other side of the galaxy to be sought out;
- Han survived & got together with Leia, the love triangle including Luke was gone;
- Leia wasn't crowned Queen of her people, Luke wasn't left alone, he had a sister & a prospective brother-in-law;
- Luke didn't turn to the Dark Side, slaughter his father & the Emperor, then put Vader's mask on, he overcame his demons & became a good Jedi;
- Darth Vader turned back to the good side, & the Emperor was dead.

I'd kill to find out what would have happened in Eps VII-IX, but based on everything that has been revealed so far, I'm convinced that it could only be compatible with an Episode VI that turned out completely differently, i.e. left an open ending.
Based on what little information we do have, it's hard to say how ROTJ might have ended otherwise, had GL been inclined to carry on with the saga, but it's quite obvious that the way it did end was with the intention of finishing the saga at Episode VI.

The EU has made a gigantic business out of continuing Luke, Leia & Han's adventures, simply because they weren't all dead at the end of ROTJ, but that doesn't mean there is any reason that George Lucas has to make another trilogy. I just wish he'd come out with the answer he so desperately wants to, when asked what happened afterwards:

"And they all lived happily ever after. THE END."

(grabs interviewer by the throat & snarls viciously to camera)

"I @#$%ing mean it, fanboys, you hear me? THE END!"

 

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ShaneP  12620 posts
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Date Posted: 10/19 2:10pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Darth_Nub posted:
There is no need or reason for GL to make a/the Sequel Trilogy, that's why the title of this thread is somewhat meaningless.

Putting aside the desire of every Star Wars fan to see more Lucas-penned adventures beyond the Battle of Endor, the saga was wrapped up very neatly in Episode VI. Whatever ideas GL, Gary Kurtz, Lawrence Kasdan et al had during the years 1978-1982 (accurately reported or not) were well & truly dealt with in ROTJ:

- "no, there is another" - it's Leia, she's Luke's sister, right there, not on the other side of the galaxy to be sought out;
- Han survived & got together with Leia, the love triangle including Luke was gone;
- Leia wasn't crowned Queen of her people, Luke wasn't left alone, he had a sister & a prospective brother-in-law;
- Luke didn't turn to the Dark Side, slaughter his father & the Emperor, then put Vader's mask on, he overcame his demons & became a good Jedi;
- Darth Vader turned back to the good side, & the Emperor was dead.

I'd kill to find out what would have happened in Eps VII-IX, but based on everything that has been revealed so far, I'm convinced that it could only be compatible with an Episode VI that turned out completely differently, i.e. left an open ending.
Based on what little information we do have, it's hard to say how ROTJ might have ended otherwise, had GL been inclined to carry on with the saga, but it's quite obvious that the way it did end was with the intention of finishing the saga at Episode VI.

The EU has made a gigantic business out of continuing Luke, Leia & Han's adventures, simply because they weren't all dead at the end of ROTJ, but that doesn't mean there is any reason that George Lucas has to make another trilogy. I just wish he'd come out with the answer he so desperately wants to, when asked what happened afterwards:

"And they all lived happily ever after. THE END."

(grabs interviewer by the throat & snarls viciously to camera)

"I @#$%ing mean it, fanboys, you hear me? THE END!"


Actually, that's not the case at all. In 1983 there was still an idea of a 9 episode saga.

 

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T-R-  521 posts
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Date Posted: 10/19 3:20pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Actually, all the way up to 2000.


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In 1983 the nine-film saga was reported by a Time article[6] and The Times review of Return of the Jedi,[7], in The Washington Post,[8] and the "9-film epic saga" plan continued to be repeated as late as 2000.[9][10] The authors of the 1983 Time article briefly described the prequel trilogy, which they said would portray the "political intrigue and Machiavellian plotting that led to the downfall of the once noble Republic". Of the sequel trilogy, they wrote, "Their main theme will be the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong. There was never any doubt in the films already made; in those the lines were sharply drawn, comic-book-style. Luke Skywalker, who will then be the age Obi-Wan Kenobi is now, some place in his 60s, will reappear, and so will his friends, assuming that the creator decides to carry the epic further."[6]

In the book Icons: Intimate Portraits by Denise Worrell (1989), Lucas is reported to have only a vague notion of what will happen in the three films of a sequel trilogy. He is quoted as saying, "If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. The sequel is about Jedi Knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned." [11] In the foreword of the special edition of Splinter of the Mind's Eye [b](1994)[/b] George Lucas stated, "As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at least nine films to tell - three trilogies." [12]

So, just as I've said, as of 1983, 1989, and 1994 Lucas HIMSELF mentions and DESCRIBES the sequel trilogy - even telling how Episode 9 would end. The Magic of Myth book takes that up until 1997. Those are in print and cannot be denied by Lucas or anyone else. This does not include TV interviews, licensed products, or the laser disks, which as even the Wik says continued to be repeated as late as 2000.

 

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Lars_Muul  10112 posts
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Date Posted: 10/19 11:50pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
My guess is that Lucas had planned to make a third trilogy if he felt that he had the time and energy for it. If not(which seems to be the case), he would just let ROTJ be the end of the Saga, since it does work as such.
He wouldn't say that, of course, since millions of fans would then know for sure that that's the case and start harassing him even more.





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ShaneP  12620 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20 10:41am Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Oh I'm not saying RotJ fails as an ending. In fact, it ties up lots of things.

BUT...there are a few important areas that could be further explored and open up a whole new storyline.

One question:

What really is the rebel alliance? An alliance of what? A coalition of buddies and friends or one more akin to the alliance during WW2 with the Soviets?

What if some of the power players, but not Mothma, were allied more for "we have a common enemy" than "we are friends and cohorts"?



 

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DARTH_BELO  754 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20 10:49pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9 - Date Edited: 10/20 10:56pm (3 edits total) Edited By: DARTH_BELO
I just figured their "alliance" was against the Empire, and everything it stands for. Mainly against Palpatine from the beginning. I agree a couple more "politics-type" scenes in Ep. IV-VI would add some nice balance, but the "seeds of rebellion" scenes in ROTS cover much of the idea...That's why I really like that deleted scene in ANH when Luke and Biggs are talking outside Tosche Station. It gives some nice insight as to how the general population of the galaxy views the Empire, and adds a bit of a political flavor to the later episodes, which we see much of in Ep. I-III.

I feel the (unfortunately) deleted scenes in ROTS with Mon Mothma, Padme, Bail and the rest explain their principles well: "We are not Separatists trying to leave the Republic, we are LOYALISTS, trying to preserve democracy within the Republic." I think that says it all, really...The Delegation of the 2000 is what I understood as the original members opposing the Emperor's actions, and this "alliance" grew over time with the increasing oppression brought on by the Emperor and his appointed Governors.

In a few words (which is what I probably should have stuck with... wink ), Their "alliance" both stands for and is made up of those interested in preserving democracy, and bringing back the principles of the Old Republic. nerd

 

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Darth_Nub  165 posts
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Date Posted: 10/20 11:33pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
While I'm aware that GL did continue to mention the sequel trilogy up until the turn of the century, I don't think he was too serious about it ever happening, otherwise he wouldn't be denying its very existence now. The nine-film saga was far more common knowledge in the 1980's & early 1990's than the urban myth it's become now, & it was harder to claim it was just a media invetion.
Although the most informative quotes do, in fact, come from articles in 1983, post-ROTJ, it's likely that he was simply feeding the media whatever vague notions he'd come up with since 1978, & leaving his options open. He didn't want to kill the goose that laid the billion-dollar golden egg.

Although, yes, the story could continue with an aged OT cast, simply to show the world "what happened next", I don't think this is what he originally had in mind when he decided that SW was Episode IV in a nine-film saga. With the way ROTJ did turn out, i.e. happy ending, all loose ends tied up, any further episodes would serve more as an epilogue, not a climax, & they weren't absolutely necessary.
It was the original vision he came up with in 1978, of which we know virtually nothing about, that I believe GL decided to render obsolete by the time ROTJ was complete.

 

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eht13  668 posts
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Date Posted: 10/21 8:06am Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Darth_Nub posted:
I just wish he'd come out with the answer he so desperately wants to, when asked what happened afterwards:

"And they all lived happily ever after. THE END."

(grabs interviewer by the throat & snarls viciously to camera)

"I @#$%ing mean it, fanboys, you hear me? THE END!"

laugh

 

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TheMcguffin  316 posts
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Date Posted: 10/22 8:22am Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Darth_Nub posted:
I just wish he'd come out with the answer he so desperately wants to, when asked what happened afterwards:

"And they all lived happily ever after. THE END."

(grabs interviewer by the throat & snarls viciously to camera)

"I @#$%ing mean it, fanboys, you hear me? THE END!"


"Star Wars is the tragedy of Darth Vader. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
- George Lucas, Total Film magazine (May 2008)

 

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obiwan9753 
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Date Posted: 10/24 2:30pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
I think he needs to make more because he ended it by "Revenge of the Sith" and left it. Now they have more stuff on Wookiepedia of more things that happened but with star wars the clone wars it expands the Star Wars Saga

 

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melkor834 
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Date Posted: 10/25 2:09pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Oh, there is a big reason the ST needs to be created... That reason is that it could overide all that post-RotJ EU bullcrap. wink

 

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eht13  668 posts
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Date Posted: 10/25 7:09pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9 - Date Edited: 10/25 7:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: eht13
^ I've generally been against any more movies or an ST, but that is a very good point! laugh

 

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angellla29 
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Date Posted: 10/26 2:46am Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9 - Date Edited: 10/26 2:47am (1 edits total) Edited By: angellla29
TheMcguffin posted:
Darth_Nub posted:
I just wish he'd come out with the answer he so desperately wants to, when asked what happened afterwards:

"And they all lived happily ever after. THE END."

(grabs interviewer by the throat & snarls viciously to camera)

"I @#$%ing mean it, fanboys, you hear me? THE END!"


"Star Wars is the tragedy of Darth Vader. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
- George Lucas, Total Film magazine (May 2008)



Maybe Master George Lucas planned to make HIS OWN TRILOGY not another ppls ideas.....I believe he want to renounce at "old char" like Leia,Han and Luke(maybe kill them in new series)Guys plz recognize the truth the actors are too old for the roles...I love very much Harrison Ford,Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher but they not correspond at their ages for role of Leia,Luke and Han...Maybe anothers actors or another characters much more youngs than them...

 

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Merlin_Ambrosius69  1974 posts
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Date Posted: 10/26 1:09pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9 - Date Edited: 10/26 1:13pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Merlin_Ambrosius69
Au contraire, I think a new film or films, with the OT cast portraying the elder statesmen and mentors to the young up-and-comers -- like Yoda and Obi-Wan were with Luke in the OT, or Windu and Yoda with Anakin in the PT -- would be brilliant.

Imagine Leia, aged 65, all matronly and wide-hipped in shimmering white robes, as the Supreme Chancellor-for-Life of the New Republic! Luke as the white-bearded head of the Jedi Council, his black-leather robes evocative of a certain fallen Sith Lord! Han as the scruffy souse who gave up on the New Republic, left his wife and kids, and became a pirate again with Chewie in tow! (Or whatever, thrill me with your own ideas. tongue )

These would be supporting roles, with a new, fresh-faced generation of Solos and Skywalkers taking up blaster and lightsaber to defend the Galaxy from the ever-looming threat of the Dark Side.

I mean... what STAR WARS fan would not want to see that? ... /crickets/ ... Anyone? batting

 

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ShaneP  12620 posts
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Date Posted: 10/26 2:17pm Subject: The Reason why George Lucas needs to make episodes 7-8-9
Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted:
Au contraire, I think a new film or films, with the OT cast portraying the elder statesmen and mentors to the young up-and-comers -- like Yoda and Obi-Wan were with Luke in the OT, or Windu and Yoda with Anakin in the PT -- would be brilliant.

Imagine Leia, aged 65, all matronly and wide-hipped in shimmering white robes, as the Supreme Chancellor-for-Life of the New Republic! Luke as the white-bearded head of the Jedi Council, his black-leather robes evocative of a certain fallen Sith Lord! Han as the scruffy souse who gave up on the New Republic, left his wife and kids, and became a pirate again with Chewie in tow! (Or whatever, thrill me with your own ideas. tongue )

These would be supporting roles, with a new, fresh-faced generation of Solos and Skywalkers taking up blaster and lightsaber to defend the Galaxy from the ever-looming threat of the Dark Side.

I mean... what STAR WARS fan would not want to see that? ... /crickets/ ... Anyone? batting


I think the prequels established Corellia as this do-it-yourself culture. I would suspect they'd be one of the first groups to say "okay. the war is won. let's go home".

So maybe Han feels torn between Leia and his gorwing affection for his native culture?

 

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