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Amph 007 Skyfall

Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthLowBudget, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    The World Is Not Enough Was Terrible. Like, for instance, the guy that was invincible because he got shot in the head a decade ago and the bullet continues to move through his brain, shearing through his neurons one micrometer at a time? Elektra would have been wiser to forget going in to the oil business and tried monetizing whatever bizarre physics experiment allowed that to happen.
     
  2. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Is this the same Elektra from the Daredevil movie? TWINE is one of only two Bond films I haven't seen.
     
  3. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    It would be a much better movie if it had been.
     
  4. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Wocky, you find flaws in TWINE but like Rush Hour. I'm not actually sure you are a decent barometer for good films or not.

    Plus, Renard's condition works well if you just assume it's an elaborate metaphor for erectile dysfunction. Which I do.
     
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  5. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    I feel pretty comfortable saying Rush Hour succeeds at what it's trying to do far more than "The World Is Not Enough" could ever hope to.
     
  6. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    So I have to concede it's a different suit in QoS after Ender-Sai's designer-specific analysis. BUT I will still defend the film's brilliance and will be happy to re-post my glowing review of it when the discussion turns that way again.

    Meanwhile, TWINE is better than TND but not as good as GE. It's worth re-watching now, given the plot similarities it shares with Skyfall.
     
  7. The_Four_Dot_Elipsis

    The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'd back you to the hilt with that.
     
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  8. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Yes but the bar is so low, it could only really succeed Wocky.

    It's a terrible, terrible film. Just dreadful. And as a comedy, it fails the test of actually being funny.
     
  9. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Master star 5

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    I suppose. I'll have to revisit it. I remember when I first saw it that it just felt like a more well produced and more polished hybrid of Brosnan's first two films. You can't really say the same for Craig's films because each one does have its own distinct feel. Royale is the classic spy film, Quantum is the gritty, urban crime film while Skyfall is a psychological espionage film.


    I have a bit of spare time for the next half hour so i'm going to do my best to order the 007 films from most preferred to least preferred. I don't know if i'll have time to provide commentary like I did with my favourite 007 film for each Bond, but if the arrangement I put together incites any controversy, just quote my post with a question and i'll explain as I go. Here we go:


    1. From Russia With Love

    2. Skyfall

    3. Tomorrow Never Dies

    4. Casino Royale

    5. The Man With The Golden Gun

    6. The Living Daylights

    7. You Only Live Twice

    8. Goldeneye

    9. Quantum Of Solace

    10. Goldfinger

    11. The Spy Who Loved Me

    12. For Your Eyes Only

    13. The World Is Not Enough

    14. Thunderball

    15. A View To A Kill

    16. Octopussy

    17. Dr. No

    18. Live and Let Die

    19. License To Kill

    20. Diamonds Are Forever

    21. Moonraker

    22. Die Another Day

    23. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
     
  10. darthcaedus1138

    darthcaedus1138 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Tomorrow Never Dies ahead of Casino Royale?

    Yeohowch.
     
  11. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Do you understand the words that are comin' out of my mouth?
     
  12. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Master star 5

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    I had to think about that one but TND is a personal one for me because it was one of the first 007 films I saw and was ultimately the one that made me fall in love with the franchise. Admittedly, from a film making perspective, Casino Royale is a much better film, but in the same way that I love Golden Gun, there's just a charm that I cannot move past.
     
  13. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    He was hardly invincible, he just didn't feel pain. I don't think it's any more far-fetched than a guy with metal-crushing hands, a fat man who can withstand having gold bars lobbed at his head, a shark-killing man with metal teeth or someone who survived cyanide and has a plate holding half his face together.
    Crazy villains with ridiculous disfigurements are part of the Bond film franchise, they are a big part of what makes it memorable.
     
  14. The_Four_Dot_Elipsis

    The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The problem with Renard is not the bullet in his head.

    It's that he's completely and utterly boring.
     
  15. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    He's a better villain than the Murdoch wannabe that was Elliot Carver
     
  16. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Master star 5

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    Pretty much. To me, he was boring because I thinking that surely one way or the other he would have been killed or taken his life in an attempt to get an adrenaline rush out of sheer boredom. I just found it hard to be "convinced" by his motives. He was well performed, just not very well written as compared to the other characters in the film.
     
  17. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Master star 5

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    Pretty much. To me, he was boring because I thinking that surely one way or the other he would have been killed or taken his life in an attempt to get an adrenaline rush out of sheer boredom. I just found it hard to be "convinced" by his motives. He was well performed, just not very well written as compared to the other characters in the film.
     
  18. The_Four_Dot_Elipsis

    The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Not by much.

    Pryce's awfulness is at least something. I prefer to view the film as a fantasy of James Lingk's.

    Or... Sam Lowry. I don't know how the hell I got to Lingk first.

    Both are better than Graves. Stephens unbelievably bad.
     
  19. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I just really have to underline this. Sometimes, something happens that just reminds me of why I love this place so damn much. And this is one of them. Because on the "things I never thought I'd see" list, Four Dot agreeing with Wocky on a point of film criticism is way up there, I have to say.
     
  20. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    they tried to make a tribute film out of Die Another Day, and they failed miserably.
     
  21. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    I just want to add anyone that rates OHMSS last has both no taste and no business holding opinions on Bond fans. Especially when they rate TMWTGG in their top 5.

    For shame. :p
     
  22. The_Four_Dot_Elipsis

    The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well, Rush Hour has always sit snugly beside The Towering Inferno as my ultimate guilty pleasures. I am a Rush Hour enthusiast, truly.

    Not the awful sequels though.
     
  23. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 8

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    The sequels had the odd funny moment, they just weren't as consistent as part 1 and clearly only made to cash-in.
     
  24. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Master star 5

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    The list shamelessly remains :)
     
  25. Quixotic-Sith

    Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've never understood the QoS hate - I enjoy it, and really appreciate the "blunt instrument" Bond in the Craig movies.
     
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