Amph 24: The Jack Bauer Power Hour Discussion Thread - Jack is back in "Live Another Day" miniseries!!!

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  1. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Well, 4th if you count The Game ;)

    I'd suspect some of the spin-off material is still within acceptable limits- you can't ignore Nightfall, but then that falls within that military operation exception.
  2. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    I never played the game so there. :p

    I'm actually okay with most of the stories, but I don't like them being in a 24 hour time frame. I don't like big ones however. When Jack and others learn about the nuclear bomb in Season 2, I want that to be the first time something that big has happened. So I'm okay with assassination plots, not plots to shoot down a plane with influenza that could cause the death of millions. If they don't happen in a day.
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    Operation Hell Gate (2005) ? Marc Cerasini

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    *For an embarrassingly long time, I have believed that the author?s name was Marc Cerasni. It isn?t.

    *This is also, in publication order, the first 24 EU novel published.

    *So, it opens with Jack being debriefed by Richard Walsh and, quite interestingly, the entire book takes place in flashback, meaning that it actually doesn?t take place over a 24 hour period, unless it took Jack 24 hours to tell Walsh all this stuff.

    *The flashback opens with Jack, Tony Almeida and a group of special ops guys stopping some people from shooting a plane down with a high-tech RPG at LAX.

    *Cerasni instantly proves that he can write both suspense and action way better than John Whitman, so maybe this won?t be too bad.

    *So, yes, here?s our traditional pre-season one team: Nina, Milo and Jamey are also working on the case, trying to track down who these guys are. One of them, named Dante (oooooooohhhhhhh Daaaaaannnte! Do you get it?!) has been captured alive, but is staying mum.

    *So, then this FBI agent, Frank Hensley shows up claims jurisdiction on the case and snatches Dante away from CTU. Jack convinces Chappelle to let him fly back to New York with Hensley and Dante, so he can be in on the questioning.

    *There?s a great bit where Chappelle basically manipulates and cons Hensley into allowing Jack along and Jack has to admit that ?when Chappelle got his priorities right, it was a thing of beauty.?

    *After that prologue, the book proper starts at 9:00 PM EDT as the plane carrying Jack, Hensley, Dante and two marshals begins its descent into New York.

    *Hensley suddenly shoots the two marshals and tries to kill Jack. Long story short, the plane crashes, Hensley shoots the pilot, Jack manages to get away, chasing Dante who Hensley has freed.

    *Meanwhile, back at CTU, Captain Jessica Schneider, of the Special Weapons Analysis Unit, shows up to check out the missile launcher recovered at LAX. She and Tony instantly connect based on the fact that they were both marines and then just as quickly clash because Schneider is the daughter of a congressman and Tony thinks this means that she got by easy.

    *Also, arriving is a Korean computer expert to decrypt the memory stick or chip or whatever in the missile launcher. Her name is Doris.

    *One of the stranger subplots here is the fact that Milo is always getting calls from his extremely jealous girlfriend, which seems just slightly humorous the first thirty times it happens and then just starts to seem like filler.

    *Hensley, of course, claims to his superiors that Jack killed the two marshals and caused the plane crash. The FBI issues the equivalent of an APB, I guess.

    *So, there?s a kind of cool bit where the CTU Los Angeles office sets its ?threat clock? up to New York time. They go into lockdown.

    *So, Jack follows Dante as he meets up with his gang; the gang then meets up with a pair of Irish businessmen and do some exchanging. The Irish pair ends up driving away with their own missile launcher and it becomes clear that the LAX kerfuffle was a dry run for something else.

    *Jack is unable to follow the Irish folks, because he?s being beaten with pipes by a group of street thugs.

    *He instantly gets into a blazing gun battle as Dante?s people raid a bar and start mowing down the people therein. As Dante?s people, including Dante himself, flee the bar in the aftermath of the battle, they get into the car that the Irish people provided for them and it, of course, blows sky high, our mysterious Irish pair having cleaned up one of our plot threads for us.

    *So, it turns out that the tavern is owned by some Russians and Afghani folks who are also involved in some criminal activities, namely illicit gun running. Jack?s sudden appearance helps foil Dante?s ambush and Jack makes a sort of alliance with them.

    *So, one thing that Cerasini does, that Whitman also did, that really sort of bugs the heck out
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    This is the kind of eye for detail one might apply to learning the spelling of Seamus. Or perhaps not.

    HAHAHA. Sorry. Just remembered the first third of Season 3.

    Uh, can't explain Cheever and Spain. Don't remember them from anything. My guess is an attempt to have a parallel politician story a la Palmer et al.
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    Trojan Horse (2006) ? Marc Cerasini

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    *So, this book, like the last one is structured in flashback, so that it begins with Jack being debriefed by Richard Walsh and then proceeds to tell the story. This just seems lazy to me.

    *So, this one starts at 5 AM.

    *So, in our first plot, Jack is assisting the DEA with a raid on an old movie studio, where a new super-meth drug called Karma is being manufactured; the raid goes predictably badly, but Jack helps them pull it out and they end up catching all the bad guys.

    *Meanwhile, there?s this dude named Richard Lesser who?s a huge computer genius/hacker and he?s vanished into Mexico where he is purportedly in meetings with a terrorist named Hasan. Tony Almeida and a computer tech from CTU, name of Fay Hubley, are headed into Mexico undercover as scam artists to try to hook up with Lesser before he can meet with Hasan.

    *And then there?s Teri, who is apparently going to get her own plot in this book, unlike all the others to this point. Apparently, she worked on a movie that has been nominated for a ?Silver Screen Award,? and she?s been invited to attend the ceremony with the cast and crew.

    *So, then this old friend of Jack?s from the LAPD, Detective Castalano calls Jack in for an opinion on a murder. A film producer named Hugh Vetri has been murdered via torture and disembowelment and his entire family and staff killed as they slept.

    *So, Teri was apparently a freelance assistant for a background artist on an animated feature. I didn?t know she did that kind of stuff, or had forgotten. Also, I seriously doubt a freelance assistant for a background artist would be scoring tickets to this universe?s version of the Oscars.

    *Jack and Teri share some dialogue about their wonderful daughter: ?Kim and I can get take out pizza.? ?Great. But don?t get pepperoni. Kim?s a vegetarian again.? ?Since when?? ?Since I cooked meatloaf last night.?

    *Milo says ?w00t.? Out loud he says it. Does anyone actually do that?

    *So, a crazed guy shows up in Hugh Vetri?s car and sideswipes a bus filled with church kids and sends it spiraling down the mountain to burst into flames. He?s caught by the police, but not before he literally rips the jugular out of a highway patrolman. Turns out he?s flying high on Karma.

    *Tony, meanwhile, has hooked up with his contact, Ray Dobyns, down in Mexico, but he?s double-crossed and captured by some drug dealers. Fay Hubley is, quite shockingly, raped and murdered by three of them.

    *So, all the regulars are here in substantial roles. Milo and Jamey are scouring Hugh Vetri?s computer for evidence and monitoring Richard Lesser online. Ryan Chappelle stalks around being an ass. Nina occasionally pops in to say a line. And Doris Soo Min, introduced in Operation Hell Gate, also appears.

    *Jack gets Castalano to transfer Vetri?s killer, Ibn Farad, to CTU?s custody. But as they?re transporting him from the LAPD holding cell to CTU, the convoy is attacked by a load of Saudi Arabian Special Forces and Ibn Farad is snatched.

    *There?s an interesting moment when Jack says a line about the purpose of terrorism and Nina asks him who he?s quoting. Jack says that he?s quoting Victor Drezen. Nina changes the subject.

    *So, turns out this bad guy calls himself Hasan because he?s using Karma to brainwash people into becoming suicidal terrorists, in much the same way the historical Hasan Sabah started his cult of hashishans by brainwashing people with hashish. This, of course, is the root of our word ?assassins.?

    *So, Milo gets sent down to Mexico to meet up with Tony and Fay when Ryan finds out that Milo went to grad school with Lesser. Milo arrives and, after finding Fay Hubley?s brutally mutilated body in the bathtub of her room, meets up with Lesser who is coming to turn himself in.

    *Lesser claims he?s turning himself in because he?s figured out that Hasan is completely crazy and that he has a virus that Lesser made for hi
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    Guilty. :D

    Looking at a list, there are more 24 books than I would have expected. I can't see Jack being involved in so many intense ops before Day One.
  7. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    If I recall, this little nobody will become very important later in the series. :)

    I always thought the plot of this one was pretty cool and yes, Jack meeting Mulder would be totally awesome. :p
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    Was the nobody from the show or just the book series?
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    Vanishing Point (2007) ? Marc Cerasini

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    *If one is particularly cool, one might conceivably cue up Primal Scream?s Vanishing Point album as a soundtrack to your reading. Skip to Kowalski during the action sequences.

    *The book opens four months before the main story, with Christopher Henderson visiting Jack at CTU. They share a little dialogue about Operation Hell Gate and Frank Hensley, which is, I suppose, a nice tie back.

    *So, Jack and Tony end up shipped down to Nicaragua where they attempt to intercept a rogue CTU agent who has stolen some kind of top secret military technology and is attempting to sell it to the Rojas brothers, a group of druglords.

    *I think the Rojas brothers are significant later on the show, yes?

    *Anyway, after a very well written street gun battle, with Tony killing one of the Rojas brothers, the backpack with the technology in it blows up, taking the rogue agent with it.

    *How well written is this battle? Tony, at one point, leaps in front of a speeding car and lands on the hood and is thrown wildly into the air. He does this, by the way, on purpose, correctly believing that when the car hits him he will be thrown to within a foot of one of the Rojas brothers.

    *Tony then after purposely leaping in front of a car and being struck and thrown into the air, lands on his feet, places the barrel of his gun against the back of the Rojas guy?s head and blows that mother away before he can even turn around.

    *That?s just such a 24 moment. I guess Tony has a degree in physics.

    *It?s kind of odd. I?ll talk about it more as the book unfolds, but really Tony gets all the awesome moments in this book instead of Jack, which I found kind of interesting.

    *Anyway, Henderson figures out that the stolen technology came from Groom Lake, otherwise known as Area 51, and he decides to set up a big CTU operation to figure out what?s going on.

    *During this initial briefing, there is a brief cameo by Jamey Farrell and Doris Soo Min, the two computer techs. Farrell will appear again at the very end, but this is the only time Doris appears. Nina appears again and we?re introduced to Curtis Manning and Morris O?Brien, two characters that I?m betting are from later seasons of the show.

    *Also, Ryan Chappelle is seen briefly, being upset that Henderson has gone over his head to put this operation together. Also seen, but without any lines, is George Mason.

    *As to George Mason, in One Shot, he was mentioned, but did not actually appear. So this is actually his first appearance.

    *Jack, along with Curtis and Morris, go undercover at the Cha-Cha Lounge in Las Vegas. With help from a gangster that CTU owns, they pass themselves off as the new managers of the Cha-Cha. This is done because someone was using classified military technology to cheat at the slots at a couple of Vegas casinos.

    *Meanwhile, Tony goes undercover at Groom Lake as the energy specialist in the Malignant Wave program, a new non-lethal technology being developed.

    *After three months or so, Jack finally catches somebody cheating at the Cha-Cha and he takes the guy down to the basement holding cell and starts beating him to try to get him to tell where he got the device he?s using to cheat.

    *We cut away as Jack begins to beat the guy at 12:14 PM. We get back to Jack at 12:41 PM, still beating the guy. I mean, jeez.

    *David Palmer arrives, his first appearance since Nightfall. He is supposedly in town for an Anti-Drug conference, but in reality, he?s going to head to Groom Lake to see a demonstration of Malignant Wave in his position as chairman of the Special Defense Appropriations Committee.

    *Sherry is in tow and . . . well, not really in tow exactly. If you know what I mean.

    *Palmer?s Chief of Staff here is a man named Lev Cohen. Mike Novick, you might recall, who is Palmer?s Chief of Staff when the television s
  11. hansen Force Ghost

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    I'm starting to think we're gonna have to have a discussion about Kim when you finally get to the actual show. She does not deserve these snarky comments you insist on sending her way. :mad:

    Other than that; very interesting write-up about a book I'll never read.
  12. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    Sounds pretty good, I may pick this one up. The Rojas' brothers don't make an appearance in the show, it is another Mexican drug brother cartel. :p

    However, Curtis and Morris and both players later in the series.

    Regarding dates, this was probably after Teri and Jack split up and before they got together, so this takes place sometime in the year before Day 1. Still, Jack has a pretty busy six months-one year.
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    Well, in the next book, Collataral Damage, Jack & Teri seem to still be together. And in the following one, Veto Power, Jack mentions that he and Teri are having problems but they're apparently still under the same roof. Day Zero, the web series, which comes after another book or two details the beginning of Jack & Nina's affair. But there's really no way to make the timeline make sense, which is too bad.

    Oh and hansen? Bring it. :p

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    "Having problems" must be an incredibly generous euphemism for "Jack, please stop ****ing vegas showgirls on the night of your daughter's school play. Wait, you know what? How about you stop ****ing ALL vegas showgirls, period?".
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    Collateral Damage (2008) ? Marc Cerasini

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    *So, a little house keeping is in order here because I sort of violated the timeline or something. See, when I finished Vanishing Point, I looked at the timeline and the next item was Day Zero, a series of animated webisodes (God, I hate that word). So, I watched it and then I read Collateral Damage because I had requested it from the library before watching Day Zero.

    *Then I went back to the timeline to find that Day Zero had shifted position and now took place, not only after Collateral Damage, but also after Veto Power and Cat?s Claw. So, I watched that one way out of order. But I swear the wiki timeline changed. I swear it.

    *Anyway, on to Collateral Damage. I hate the word Collateral. It always looks wrong when I type it.

    *So, this opens with a prologue with George Mason talking to Jack. This is Mason?s first real appearance here, aside from a few mentions and a brief non-speaking cameo.

    *So, apparently, what they talked about as Jack and Mason?s history in Day One has just happened. An agent has been sent to prison and George has been busted down to Tacoma Bureau (Tacoma has a bureau?!).

    *Before he goes, George has one last up yours for Jack; Jack?s being sent to New York to supervise the CTU unit there as it comes online.

    *Then we jump four days and we?re into the story proper.

    *This is George Mason?s only appearance in the book, but Cerasini does nail his kissoff line to Jack: ?Enjoy the weekend with Tracy and your son.? ?It?s Teri. And I have a daughter.? ?Like I care.?

    *So, Jack and Tony and Morris O?Brien (who I am presuming, still, is a character in later seasons of the show) journey to New York and instantly end up shooting a bicycle messenger in the head and stuff like that.

    *There?s a pretty loaded reference to a Nathan Wheelock who has nixed an investigation into a little place outside town called Kurmastan. Is he on the show later? Wheelock, I mean.

    *Anyway, Brice Holman, the Director of CTU New York, and Judith Foy, the Deputy Director, are missing in action when Jack, Tony and Morris arrive because they?ve gone off on their own to surveil Kurmastan despite a direct order. Jack, hilariously, gets really pissy about this flagrant disrespect for the rules.

    *So, all you Tony fans, I hope you got your fill of Almeida Action in Vanishing Point because he spends most of this book repairing a computer or something.

    *So, anyway, Jack finds out who the bike messenger who tried to kill him was and he?s connected to a sort of Mafia guy uptown. Jack goes and blunders into a meeting between this Mafia guy and an Albino (!). Things end badly. Lotsa people die. A beautiful restaurant gets shot all to hell. An Albino runs down the street screaming. Typical day in New York.

    *Okay, so while fixing this computer, and to satisfy all the female readers, Tony takes his shirt off (to fix a computer?!?!) and reveals a massive electrical burn scar on his chest. A CTUNY agent named Rachel Delgado asks him where he got it and he reveals that it was a couple of months ago in Mexico.

    *So, Hell Gate is supposedly just a couple of months ago. Of course, between Hell Gate and this one, Tony got tortured with electricity in Area 51 too, but he doesn?t mention that one. Probably since Area 51 got bombed off the map at the end of that one and he died.

    *So, Jack gets back to CTUNY just in time for Tony to tell him there?s three baddies on the roof in ConEd outfits about to blow up the satellite rig. There follows a pretty effective action sequence on the roof.

    *There?s another reference to Hell Gate when Jack tries to contact the local branch of the FBI and gets told to go to hell and, by the way, Frank Hensley was a PERSONAL FRIEND OF MINE AND YOU ARE NO FRANK HENSLEY SIR.

    *So, there?s this Senator, Hailey Williams, who is supposed to take an Interfaith trip out to Kurmastan. The Albino pay
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    ?Enjoy the weekend with Tracy and your son.? ?It?s Teri. And I have a daughter.? ?Like I care.?

    [face_laugh] This is why George Mason is my favorite.

    Morris is a TV character, but not Wheelock, Senator Williams, Gorman or Romeo to my knowledge. Though the last two being two of the nameless support staff guys we see a lot of would make sense. Perhaps they are the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of the 24 universe.

    ...Actually that would be awesome.

    Jack, hilariously, gets really pissy about this flagrant disrespect for the rules.

    Haha what? I could see that working if there weren't all these other books, but.

    So, Hell Gate is supposedly just a couple of months ago. Of course, between Hell Gate and this one, Tony got tortured with electricity in Area 51 too, but he doesn?t mention that one. Probably since Area 51 got bombed off the map at the end of that one and he died.

    Clearly this is a robot backup copy that was rebooted with memories from before that whole Area 51 business. :p

    Ha, Chloe would do that to Morris. Wait, so she was working at CTU LA before Season One, left, then came back - with Alberta, right? Or... Oh, I don't know. This is confusing.

    Good grief. Having all these characters show up in LA is one thing, but from the sounds of it, the entire west coast counter-terrorist presence is in New York in this book, and Chloe is alone back there in an office chair fort.
  17. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    Isn't Chloe suppose to be in CTU DC before Season 3?

    Anyways, Collateral Damage should be much earlier in the timeline. I've tried to make a timeline of all the books, but since I haven't read most of them I'm guessing a lot.

    Trinity: Late 1999-early 2000 (First Jack mission)

    One Shot: Early 2000 (First day of CTU)

    Hell's Gate: July 2000 (WTC still standing)

    Collateral Damage: Late 2000 (Coldplay debated earlier in the year, Kim would want to stay with the popular stuff.)

    Trojan Horse: Late 2002 (After Moscow Theater Crisis of October)

    Veto Power: Late 2002 (Has to take place before Cat's Claw, other then that I don't know. Maybe earlier than Trojan Horse)

    Cat's Claw: July 2003 (Jack and Teri's marriage on shaky grounds "for about a year")

    Vanishing Point: Spring-Summer 2003 (Palmer is planning to run for office. Usually they announce their running way before primaries. Also, Jack doesn't seem like to person who would be banging Vegas showgirls while having a wife around, so I'd assume they are at least having some difficulties if not already broken-up. They said they just got back together in Day One, which I'll assume is a month or two, and Jack moved out for I believe six months. So Summer 2003 would be a good time.)

    Chaos Theory: Later 2003 (Does stuff mentioned in Season 1)

    Day Zero: Late 2003. (Still in the separation period.)

    Head Shot: February 2004 (Moved back in w/Teri)

    Death Angel: February 2004 (Same)

  18. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    IIRC, in The Game, she is, yeah. So, if I get things correctly, she was in LA, then transferred to DC, then back to LA?
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    Well done, Vengeance! Veto Power will be my next review and I go off on a little tangent in there about the timeline, but I'll go ahead and post the pertinent information since you bring it all up.

    As Veto Power starts, Jack has been bumped back down (due to a botched operation of some sort) to Domestic Terrorism and has been undercover in a right wing militia group for six months! So, good luck fitting that one in there.

    And the one problem we have with your timeline is with Collateral Damage and Trojan Horse. Collateral Damamge has to be before 9/11 and Trojan Horse has to be after the Moscow Theater. You've got that right. However, Trojan Horse also has to be before Collateral Damage since Tony explicitly brings up his episode down in Mexico (from Trojan Horse) during Collateral Damage. So, that's a total feedback loop. There's no way to make those two books really scan into any rational timeline. As I say in my review, Trojan Horse happens in late 2002 and then two months later, in early 2001, Collateral Damage happens. :p
  20. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    Thanks. I could move up Trojan Horse to Late 2000 before Collateral Damage, thus giving Jack a bunch of time to go undercover in Veto Power, and it frees up Late 2001-Mid 2002 for Jack and CTU to deal with 9/11 and Afghanistan.

    On a related note, I always wondered how the real world translated into 24. I assume the 24 President of the time (Harry Barnes?) would have gone into Afghanistan, but nothing like that is mentioned in any seasons. Maybe Palmer fixed everything before Season 2 started? :p
  21. The_Face Ex-Manager

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    Palmer's first act in office was to cure every non-fictional country except Russia and China. He did this from the back of a dragon.
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    Veto Power (2005) ? John Whitman

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    *Okay, so I am about to blow y'all's minds all over the place. Because guess what?

    *I frigging loved this book. Finally, one of these books has gotten it right. This is taut, filled with fascinating and legitimately living and breathing secondary characters, has a plot so baroque I actually couldn't figure it out until very late in the book and seems to actually take place in the same universe as the television show.

    *I suppose I will go ahead and spoil this book in this review, but I've got to be perfectly honest with you. I'm not going to be able to do it justice. If you're a 24 fan, you should read this one because it's actually pretty great.

    *Plus, dudes, you can get it on Amazon for one penny (plus Shipping & Handling :p ) and it's definitely worth that. Cheap, in fact, at twice the price.

    *So, it appears that this series was actually written in tandem, meaning that Cerasini and Whitman were writing at the same time; I had at first assumed that Cerasini started the series and then Whitman was brought in. But this book was published in 2005 and is in fact the second book in the series, following Cerasini's series debuting Operation Hell Gate.

    *And I'm sure you recall my more or less disdain filled review for Whitman's Trinity. Well, I guess he got worse as he went along because his writing is much better in this book than in that one.

    *But, okay, let's just get started, cause this one is way complicated.

    *So, this book opens with a prologue two days prior to the main action of the book. In this prologue, Jack busts some members of the Greater Nation, a right-wing militia group as they try to do some bad stuff. It's revealed that Jack has been undercover in Greater Nation for six months!

    *Okay, the problem is, or perhaps it's not a problem, is that there's no way to really fit this book in the timeline as established, since Jack's been in Greater Nation for six months. Considering that all these EU books are supposed to take place in a period of significantly less than two years, I don't see a way to really make all of these happen if we accept that Jack was out of CTU proper for six months.

    *Why this isn't a problem? Because I say that's fine with me; kick all those other books to the curb and keep this one. That's right. This book has just entered my personal canon.

    *We then cut to a scene, still in the prologue, of a meeting between the President, Harry Barnes, his Karl Rove analogue, Mitch Rasher and the AG, James Quincy. They're meeting in regards to the NAP Act, a much ballyhooed and embattled Act currently working its way through the Senate. Essentially, and the book itself even uses this analogy, the NAP Act is the PATRIOT Act times 100 and a massive erosion of civil liberties.

    *I went to see when the PATRIOT Act happened because it was in my head that it was in 2002 at least and since this book takes place definitively after it I thought that would give us more dating information. I was shocked to discover that it was October of 01 when the Patriot Act was signed into law. I had completely forgotten it was that horrendously fast after 9/11. Wow.

    *But anyway, Hell Gate is definitely pre-9/11; Jack looks at the Twin Towers at one point and muses on them. And then . . . Collatoral Damage definitely takes place two months after Hell Gate, from Tony's dialogue in that book. And this book is at least six months after that and we're now post 9/11 and post-PATRIOT ACT.

    *Also, in Vanishing Point, David Palmer was gearing up for a run for the Presidency; in Collatoral Damage he apparently hadn't yet actually declared since Jack mentions Palmer only in connection to his position as Senator (plus, there's no way Palmer would have greenlit the assassination of Soren Ungar at the end of Collatoral Damage if he was running for President; that would have been incredibly stupid).

    *Late in this book, Pal
  24. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    *I?d love to see this on the big screen; a vision of LA entirely blacked out, not a single car running, not a single light burning and Jack Bauer and Brett Marks encased in absolute blackness in a single flight of stairs deep inside Century City.

    You'll be getting your wish. ;)

    Great review. I'll try to update my timeline soon. And try to get the book. :p
  25. Vengance1003 Jedi Grand Master

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    Alright, I'm going to update this.

    Trinity: Late 1999-early 2000 (First Jack mission)

    One Shot: Early 2000 (First day of CTU)

    Hell's Gate: July 2000 (WTC still standing)

    Trojan Horse: August 2000 (They meant the other Moscow Hostage Crisis. You know, the invisible one.)

    Collateral Damage: October 2000 (Coldplay debated earlier in the year, Kim would want to stay with the popular stuff. Jack and co. had a very busy couple of months)

    Nightfall: March 2, 2002 (No clue how to rectify earlier Drazen references; maybe Jack just liked alluding to the guy.)

    Vanishing Point: Spring/Summer 2002 (Frankly, I have no clue where this should go. It should be before Nightfall, which is early 2002 since it is before Novick joined. Although, the show said Novick was with Palmer for like twenty years or something so I'm at a loss. If Collateral Damage mentions Vanishing Point at all, I guess it needs to go in August, but if not, I'm going to place it in Summer of 2002, right before Jack goes undercover.)

    Veto Power: Early 2003 Like April or May or something (Department of Homeland Security opened in November 2002, it seems fit that this happens soon afterwords. Palmer probably announced his campaign in February or March, so we need time for people to realize how awesome he is.)

    Cat's Claw: July 2003 (Jack and Teri's marriage on shaky grounds "for about a year". Day 1 says that this was due to Nightfall. G8 summits usually happen in July.)

    Chaos Theory: Later 2003 (Does stuff mentioned in Season 1. Talking and trusts Teri though...)

    Day Zero: Late 2003. (Still in the separation period.)

    Head Shot: February 2004 (Moved back in w/Teri)

    Death Angel: February 2004 (Same)

    Day 1: March 2, 2004 (Happy anniversary Drazens!)

    On second thought, would it be cool if we made the Drazen mission during Jack's demotion? Like if the CIA or someone made Jack do "dirty work" again. Wait, the date wouldn't work. Darn. Stupid Palmer and Homeland Security references.

    EDIT: Of course the super awesome "24: The House Special Subcommittee's Findings at CTU" is going to tear down everything that was just created. Somethings involved are that Jack started CTU in 1998 and Season 1 takes place in March 2001. Which doesn't make sense. But we'll get there eventually.