80 de ani de oscaruri - si nici unul pt un film SF mah :(

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  1. ComicDiva Jedi Master

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    Ce-i drept ma refer la oscarurile importante: Cel mai bun film, cel mai bun regizor, cel mai bun scenariu eventual ca pentru d-astea tehnice, au luat destule oscaruri. Desi nici alea vad ca nu mai primesc laurii pe carei merita dupa cum s-a vazut anul asta cand Transformers nu a luat premiul pentru efecte speciale si l-a luat Golden Compass. WT*!?

    80 de ani, deci 80 de premii "cel mai bun film" si unul mah nu este pentru un film SF. how the **** can that happen? Ok, recunosc ca de vreo 10 ani nu se mai fac filme SF ca lumea, dar come on. For some reason eram sigura ca Space Odissey sau Close Encounters sau chiar si porcaria aia de ET sa fi luat premiul pentru cel mai bun film si NTZ. Cum dracu, cand s-au dat oscaruri pentru Musicaluri care doamne iarta-ma, stiti cat imi plac dar nu sunt chiar drame shakesperiene... si sa nu ia Space Odissey oscar pentru cel mai bun film sau macar pentru cel mai bun regizor.

    Deci poate ca nu doare pe toata lumea, oricum oscarurile au ajuns o gluma, dar pe vremuri insemnau ceva. Si ma enerveaza ca dupa 80 de ani continua sa ignore genul SF care a dat niste adevarate capodopere.

    I hate intelectual chauvinists.
  2. Chantal Jedi Knight

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    Sorry, dar eu m-as cruci daca ar lua vreun SF Oscar. Hai, poate vreunul tehnic, gen sunet, mixaj sau efecte speciale mai merge, dar unul artistic in nici un caz. SF-ul este un gen strict de entertainment fara mare artistic value. Mi-o placea mie, dar nu pana in punctul in care sa confund criteriile.
    Iar Oscarurile de anul asta au fost cele mai interesante de multa vreme incoace. Niste filme extraordinar de bune in competitie. "There Will Be Blood" este pentru mine cel mai tare film facut vreodata. M-a lipit pur si simplu in scaun, strafulgerata. Personajul lui Daniel Day-Lewis este fascinant, iar performanta sa actoriceasca este istorica. De asemenea, "No Country for Old Men" este un film colosal, si-a meritat toti laurii. Nu mai vorbesc de "Atonement", "Michael Clayton" etc.
    Cu adevarat, anul asta a fost o desfatare la Oscaruri, fara nimic de umplutura.

    So, I love SF dar imi pastrez discernamantul.
  3. ComicDiva Jedi Master

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    De ce? De ce nu are genul Science Fiction valoare artistica? Avem naratiune, avem personaje, avem simboluri. De ce nu ar avea aceeasi valoare ca orice alta forma de fictiune? De ce? Odiseea 2001 a transmis un mesaj important in legatura cu ce inseamna sa fii om, sa faci fata unei situatii disperate, sa-l atingi pe Dumnezeu chair. And it was science-fiction. Singurul lucru care conteaza este ideea. Nu forma. Ar trebui sa dam premii pentru idei, nu pentru forme.

  4. CyberFaust FanForce CR FF Romania

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    Deci, nu. Cum naibi poti sa zici ca 2001 are doar valoare de entertainment, sau ca bladerunner e forma fara fond? Chantal, nu te supara dar nu cred ca ar trebui sa te consideri intelectuala cand zici asa ceva. Think inainte sa generalizezi in asa hal.
  5. ATTezeu Jedi Master

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    No comment. Nu are rost.

    Anul asta adevarul e ca nici nu prea aveau ce S.F. sa premieze. Oricum, oscarurile astea nu prea au fost cine stie ce. In afara de there will be blood si juno si atonement au fost cam slabe filmele. Nu m-au atras. Pe deasupra, nici 4,3,2 nu a primit nominalizare dar in schimb a primit beaufort care e mare kko... ma rog. Eu sunt trist.
  6. SVAndrei Jedi Grand Master

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    Parerea mea:

    SF-ul nu are nevoie de oscaruri ca sa isi arate adevarata valoare. Un film bun e unul bun si fara Oscaruri. Desi, tind sa fiu de acord ca 2001 trebuia sa ia macar un Oscar. E un film GENIAL.
  7. Milena_Syan Force Ghost

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    Since when are Oscars given to pictures or people that actually deserve them?

    First and foremost, the Awards are a good excuse for the movie industry to display itself in all its decadent glory.

    There have always been some favourites: movies that focus on human emotion, on characters (i.e. movies where nothing seems to happen), love stories, musicals and sometimes stuff that has to do with history or historical figures.
    They also have un-favourites: the action/adventure genre has been overlooked, and unfortunatelly, Sci-Fi movies tend to go into this category ... at best, they score for special effects.

    I understand why awards for acting are hard to come by when dealing with Sci-Fi movies - given that, most of the times, no great acting skill is required - but why not best movie, best director or best script?
    What was so great about West Side Story, The Silence of the Lambs, The English Patient or Shakespeare in Love? Quite a few things, you might say, but nothing that can't be found in other films.
    Titanic: critics proclamed it a masterpiece - and who's to say they were wrong - but 11 gold statues?

    Fact of the matter is that an Academy Award is the Hollywood equivalent of 42.

    (Purely fictional example:
    "Cyber, what's the cosine of PI/4?"
    "Um...yeah...hold on a second..." - doesn't have a bloody clue - "...hey, I got it!..." - still with no clue, but a confident, genial smile - "[And the winner of the Cosine of PI/4 category is...] 42!")

    The horrid truth is that nobody in this wide world could say which is the best movie made this year.
    Alas, the worthy people at the Film Academy just throw in their two cents. Mostly, they try to keep things balanced and cause as little controversy as possible. At times, they give awards to compensate for past mistakes and sometimes, they give awards just to avoid any charges of discrimination. Since there are no rules or criteria, they can't be proven wrong. :)

    PS: That Daniel Day-Lewis guy should be lynched just for the way he dressed up for the ceremony.
    Haven't seen his performance, but it had better be good if he beat Johnny Depp to that Oscar.
  8. Chantal Jedi Knight

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    @Milena: He is, trust me. That movie is a must. See it and we'll talk about it. I am actually looking forward to that.
    @Diva: Hon, you expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. They can coexist in any real or fictitional environment. :)
    @Cyber: Este OK. Nu e nevoie sa ma dovedesc a fi intelectuala in fata ta, ci doar in fata cuiva ce are o oaresce relevanta.
  9. ComicDiva Jedi Master

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    Diva: Hon, you expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. They can coexist in any real or fictitional environment.

    Obviously they can't din moment ce nici un film SF nu a castigat vreodata un premiu Oscar cu oaresce relevanta. :D
  10. Chantal Jedi Knight

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    That's why they are called "opinions" and not "dictates".
    Kissy.
  11. ComicDiva Jedi Master

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    I believe the more apropiate word is "prejudice".
  12. Chantal Jedi Knight

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