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Lit A Bright Center: The Official Core Worlds Discussion Thread (Aftermath & Shattered Empire Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralNick22 , Jan 4, 2013.

  1. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Corulag interests me the more I think about it. The House of Citizens is most likely some sort of elected representative body, so I wonder if the reason an Imperial governor was to quell any potential factions on the planet that were anti-Imperial? IIRC, wasn't Corulag at one point under the Alsakan sphere of influence? I known that Corulag is normally described as having strong Imperial leanings, but maybe the world has a bit more depth to it?

    --Adm. Nick
     
  2. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, remember that Zafiel Snopps (I can never get over how weird that name is) was Corulag's senator during the Old Republic and continued to serve in that position until the Senate's temporary suspension shortly before the Battle of Yavin. After that, the Galactic Emperor appointed him Imperial governor of Corulag as a reward for his service and patriotism. So I don't think it's a matter of Corulag needing supervision, as it was Snopps himself being rewarded.
     
  3. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Good catch, my friend. I forgot about that. I still am intrigued about a potentially democratic (in a general modern sense, not the literal Athenian sense) world in the Core being a Alsakan supporter in the early years of the Republic and then eventually at one point becoming a world within Coruscant's sphere on influence. I would love to know what caused the switch.

    Also, from a purely diversity standpoint, I like that the Empire had worlds that had democratic governments that were ardent supporters. Variety like that makes the GFFA a much more interesting place!

    --Adm. Nick
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Did the Atlas or something say it was within the Alsakani sphere? Because most of the sources I know about Corulag -- going back to WEG -- point out that Corulag was colonized by ships from Coruscant, hence its particular devotion to the capital and consequent lack of provincialism.

    As for as democratic support for the Empire, there were some NewsNets articles about the New Order Party winning majorities in the legislature of... Esseles, I think? Not that I am at all a fan of the NOP -- I despise COMPNOR and all its incidents.
     
  5. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    Well, in all fairness all the Core Worlds along the Perlemian behind Alsakan are in their sphere of influence back then, for obvious reasons - and Alsakan was also settled from Coruscant.
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes, but I mean that's what WEG tells us, that its loyalty has to do with its Coruscanti heritage. CatCW adds that it has long been favored by the Old Republic.

    Plenty of other Core Worlds were settled from Coruscant, but Corulag apparently maintained its allegiance in a way that the others did not. That is why I'd be hesitant to say that Corulag was in the Alsakani sphere of influence.
     
  7. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    GrandAdmiralJello

    I dug out my copy of the EGTW. Not only was Corulag in the Alsakani sphere of infulence, but it was an ally of Alsakan up to the 17th and final Conflict. According to the guide, Republic Supreme Chancellor Vedij developed a fleet of Invincible-class battleships "designed to overwhelm Alsakan and Corulag's fleets in a direct assault." I wonder if Corulag's loyalty to Coruscant grew in the post-3600 BBY period, after the end of the last Alsakan Conflict and the final statement of Coruscant's power and place in the Republic? Three and a half millenia is plenty of time for the world to grow into the rabidly pro-Coruscant, pro-Empire world it was by the Galactic Civil War.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  8. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Master star 4

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    That's a good catch with Corulag being included in the Axis against Coruscant during the 17th Conflict. I wish we could get a story about that war one day. Potentially it sounds a lot of major fleet actions, all ending with a royal Solo dictating terms on the floor of the Senate.:)
     
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  9. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    And again, playing Sith's advocate here - we don't really know Alsakan's relationship with Coruscant in modern times (after all, the last of the Alsakan Conflicts was thousands of years prior to the GCW)
     
  10. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    True, but I think there is ample reason to believe that Alsakan decided to move on and accept Coruscant's dominant place in the Republic. If not immediately, I can see that totally happening following Ruusan and the reformation of the Republic. That last thousand year period, to the best of my knowledge, has the Core free of conflict (up until the Clone Wars) and probably much mopre unified and like minded than in prior millenia. IIRC, either the Essential Atlas or the EGTW pointed out that Alsakan was home to both ardent Imperials and staunch Rebels. The would would be full of contradictions. :p

    --Adm. Nick
     
  11. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    No, I fully agree with you, Nick. My comment was in reference to Corulag's ancient status as being in Alsakan's sphere of influence and being a staunch Coruscant supporter in modern times - which there would be no issue if Alsakan was no longer a strong rival to Coruscant in recent times.
     
  12. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I do have to wonder though, why Denon and not Alaskan was made the temporary capital, if it really had such a strong claim as to wage war against Couriscant in the past.
     
  13. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think the thing that intrigues me so very much about the Coruscant/Alsakan issue is that it you essentially have two camps fighting for the same thing- the Republic. Different views on the Republic, yes, but all factions (including the Corellian Hegemony) all are stauch Republicans. Alsakan's faction is even more interesting, in that it includes some of the most prominent human Core Worlds- Axum, Anaxes, Corulag, Scipio, Shawken, Brentaal, Esseles, and Alderaan, as well as some prominent aliens species like the Caamasi and Mrissi. Again, that list reads like a "who's who" of Republic supporters. Also, it is worth noting that the Alsakan Conflicts didn't suspend the Senate or galactic trade, based on what we know. The occasional fleet battle out in the Rim, while pro-Coruscanti and pro-Alsakani senators both debated the issues of the day AND apparently kept galactic civilization running and avoided civil war.

    Such is the strange and wonderful awesomeness of the Old Republic! :p

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  14. Mechalich

    Mechalich Jedi Knight star 4

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    Probably for that very reason. If they had picked Alsakan, and everything had worked out, there might have been a push to make the transfer permanent. I suspect that was a specter the GA leadership very much wanted to avoid. Denon works well for a temporary capital - good logistical location for governance, but no real threat to the cultural powerhouses of the Core.
     
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  15. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    We also don't know how Alsakan fared in the invasion, whereas Denon definitely stayed free the entire war.

    There was probably more of a practical choice as well - Denon was a city-planet, and at the confluence of two major hyperspace lanes, and closer to the 'unravaged' portions of the galaxy.
     
  16. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I wouldn't be suprised is Alsakan was at least attacked from orbit. There wasn't much in the Arrowhead that the Vong didn't control, or at the very least attack. Of the top of my head, Chandrila is one of the few Core Worlds in that area to avoid a Vong attack, at least as of the Fall of Coruscant. IIRC, when CATCW came out, it mentioned that the Chandrilans hoped that their non-military nature would allow them to escape notice of the Vong. However, as a prominent Core World AND major NR/GA member, I can't see the world escaping notice forever, unless the Vong were too busy elsewhere.

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  17. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Did Anaxes ever fall, or was it just bypassed?
     
  18. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Apparently besieged but outlasted the siege, though it did not really participating much in the Vong war.
     
  19. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    Essential Atlas stated Anaxes played little part in the Vong War, but its military might was still effective - I would interpret that as meaning the system stayed free but its forces did not go on the offensive. Brentaal feel, but Chandrila refused to surrender. Corulag did surrender, and was in revolt when the populace rose up against the Vong and the turncoat Governor by the end of the war. Ralltiir also refused to surrender to the Vong.
     
  20. Parnesius

    Parnesius Jedi Knight star 1

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    I meant to ask about this a while back but it slipped my mind.

    In Cloak of Deception, someone (Palpatine?) noted the similar architectural aesthetics of Eriadu's capital and the Naboo. Both similarities and differences between the Naboo and Muunilinsti styles were indicated in Darth Plagueis.

    So, can anything be read into these observations regarding colonisation or settlement of worlds or spheres of cultural influence, particularly concerning the Core Founders? Could, for example, Eriadu, like Naboo, have been, at least at one point in its history, a colony of Grizmallt? Renatasia and Nam Chorios were apparently fellow colonies of Grizmallt; did their settlements bear any significant likeness to those of the aforementioned worlds? Does all of this have any bearing on connections between prominent figures like Palpatine, the Tarkins or Daala (or vice versa)?
     
  21. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Eriadu seems to have started as Republic colony for launching colony ships along the Rimma and Hydian and was settled by Humans from various worlds (who apparently also got right to enslaving their non human neighbors), though by 900 BBY it was pretty much taken over by 5 families from Corulag who build it up as an industrial power. It likely has a mixed culture background, though since the people of Eriadu (Eriadi?) seem to have an extreme sense of self-worth and cultural superiority I would assume they developed their own style, though likely taking Core World aspects as inspiration.
     
  22. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    So I have been leafing through Coruscant and the Core Worlds and I am bit disappointed about its diversity: of 27 worlds (+ Centerpoint station) only seven did not have a human/near-human majority and non of them were the worlds that was created for the sourcebook. Also duros only make up 53% of the population on Duro but humans make up 68% respectively 90% for Coruscant and Metellos?!?


    Also: on one of the new planets, Velusia, the author (Chris Doyle says the wook') decided to created a new race of amphibian near-humans as the "native" species instead of using one of the already existing non-human amphibian species that already exist. Why?
     
  23. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Another possibility is that Green Coruscant is a painting of a real part of Coruscant that we just have not been shown. After all Coruscant is a planet and that means that it is enormous and we have only seen a small part of it.


    And there is most likely uncountable gardens and farms all across Coruscant on all levels. And we also have to remember that not all animal life in SW work as ours: there is probably many plants that can live without sunlight that are grown in the lower levels.
     
  24. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Master star 4

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    Certainly a possibility, for a city planet consisting of 5,127 levels there is probably much left unseen. Home One had a nice indoor artificial environment.
     
  25. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Master star 4

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    This is something I've thought for a long time was weird about the pre-Clone Wars setup of the Senate - the "Rim faction," generally speaking, are the future Separatists, and the "Core faction," generally speaking, are the future Loyalists. But how does that make sense? Given how much exploitation and oppression by the commerce guilds (the backbone behind the Rim faction, and later the Separatists) goes on in the Rim, wouldn't the outer worlds be teeming with people pissed off at them and looking to Coruscant for protection? And on the other hand, since the commerce guilds keep opening up more and more of the galaxy to trade that enriches the Core, shouldn't they have plenty of supporters in the inner worlds?

    I can come up with a few explanations, but yeah, I too think it's weird that the politics could be as simple as "Core" and "Rim" - it has to be a lot more complicated than that.

    (By the way, if this is getting too far from the original "Core Worlds geography" topic please feel free to redirect me - I just saw something that had been bugging me for a while and took the opportunity to jump in).