A clonetrooper and clonewars thread challenge new well still same one

This is a clonetrooper (so we will talk about life of clonetrooper and stuff)and clone wars hero and badguys discussion thread soo first post picks topic and we have helper like Kit' and maybe Brad.

well here is a link to the stories

Lexicon- Trooper Thirteen's Tale
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20337599/?3
by OmnipotentSeal

Yellow- An Excerpt from The Life of Lord Octavius Nyro
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20510225/?6
by OmnipotentSeal

Our Own Masters- An Excerpt from The Life of Lord Octavius Nyro
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20581300/?0
by OmnipotentSeal

The Defective Clone
http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=20150457&start=20152382
by Brant-Flir

The Rogue ARC Trooper
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20234148/?15
By Brant-Flir

The Rogue ARC Trooper II-Wedding Troubles
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20348503/?0
By Brant-Flir

The Rebel ARC Trooper
http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=20524137
By Brant-Flir

The Rebel ARC Trooper II-Disastor
http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=20643458
By Brant-Flir

The Fate of Commander Cody: Part One
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20380077/?0
By Brant-Flir

Why did you betray me?
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/19309202/?0
By KT

Twilight Rising
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20144855/?12
By KT


No (ARCs and Order 66)
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20333088/?5
by Kudzu

Yes (ARCs and Order 66)
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20834558/?0
by Kudzu

White Armored Splendor (Obi-Wan, Anakin, and clones on the field)
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20335727/?1
by Kudzu

What Is Real (Alpha and clone commander trainees)
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20852964/?0
by Kudzu

My Brothers (clone commandoes and uranium planets)
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20885573/?0
By kudzu

So Close To Falling (Echuu Shen-Jon, Naat Reath, Sev'Rance Tann, and clones eating breakfast and flying gunships)
http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20892628/?0
By Kudzu

 

umm...hmm...topic... OK.

Seeing as how all the clonetroopers were...well...clones, and they were designed to fulfill certain roles and stations in the military, how do you think the clones felt as they were eventually replaced with regular people in the role of storm troopers and naval/army personel?

Dumb topic, but hey I can barely think right now.

 

That's good i like it. well I think they don't whant to be in the empire army but they have to or they die.

 

Ok, but seeing as how they are conditioned from birth to be the soldiers of Palpatine, I don't think they care who they serve. But then at some point they are replaced with regular people. There is no firm canon decision on whether Stormtroopers from the OT are clones or not, but the naval and army troopers aren't. So I guess the question is two part, what did the clones think of being replaced, and why did they get replaced?

 

I guess clones don't think no heart no sole.Why get replaced because palpatine whanted regular people.

 

I think they got replaced because of their growth acceleration; though they matured fast and basically popped off the assembly line as drones with toothy grins ready to go, they're age caught up to them pretty quick. By the time A New Hope came around, they'd be getting up there pretty good (I'm not sure of how quickly they were accelerated, but in ten years they were combat-ready so I'm guessing it was pretty fast).

But at least some of the clone troopers would have been alive for the transition. I'd imagine it would be pretty strange for them, having fought for years alongside soldiers that looked and thought just like them. These new Impkids would probably be looked upon as outsiders...until they were the foreign and outsider minority. That would make a good story idea, taking a look at the changeover from a clone's perspective.

 

well use your idea for a challenge.Did the steel have ARC troopers in the imp

 

DUUUUDE! You like practically summed up my fic! Its about just that subject! The transition between clone troopers to stormtroopers. I didn't know about the EU growth acceleration theory until like later, though, I always thought that growth acceleration at age 10 and after that aging went like humans. Basically its about a platoon of clone troopers sent to a far flung garrison to train with stormtroopers.

Lexicon- Trooper Thirteen's Tale

The vig-spinoffs about Octavius also follow up and expand on the themes and ideas presented in Lexicon.

 

That's a good question. I'm sure they had elite units (the 501st comes to mind), but I don't know what the official titles of them were. And were their special training academies for them? Another good question...I can just imagine the arrogance (and probably well-earned arrogance) that recruits might pick up from being part of such an elite unit, and how that could conflict even worse with the "old folks" clone troopers they integrated with. A case of battle-hardened clones with experience clashing with the book-learned newcomers to the Imperial Stormtroopers.

 

I kind of look at it from a different perspective, taking the position that the arrogance comes from the New Order's policy of alien subjugation and the general changes that were happening the galaxy. I somewhat imagine the galaxy between the trilogies to be like our time, the Empire being the lone superpower, but still facing many hidden threats. The Imps are probably trained to deal with this new world better than the clones who were basically designed to win a war, literally. The Imperial arrogance would come from indoctrination that humans are superior and the fact they are more versitile. This causes the older clones, the progressives, to feel very alienated, some even mutinying against the Imperial commanders. Others, the traditionalists, live in an idealized world of the Clone War Republic, enforcing the training the Kiminoans programmed into them. Its a conflict between old and new, human and clone.

 

I wonder what obi-wan felt like in the War.

 

Good point! The clones were trained by aliens on Kamino and fought alongside alien Jedi during the Clone Wars, protecting alien citizens of the Republic. This would definitely have an effect on the new Imperials and the clones, who as you said were there to win a war, not help install a galactic hegemony. Very good insights.

 

Well I take the position, or I should say WILL when I actually start writing about the Imps more, that the clones are considered 'aliens' under the New Order, so imagine Grand Moff Tarkin being forced to train with Chewie, and you get the kind of tension I'm looking to exhibit.

 

I can see how bumping elbows would definitely generate some friction (though in Chewie's case, he's just as liable to rip limbs off at the elbow ). You'll have to let me know when you start up a story using some of these topics, because it seems like you have some really great ideas and takes on the Imperial/Clone issue.

If clones were widely viewed as aliens or on the same level as aliens under the new order, you have to wonder if Kamino's business tanked after the Emperor rose to power - and if there were any bans of the use of cloning technology. Also, if you consider the EU line involving Byss and Palpatine's clones (which most of the time I disregard because I don't particularly like the idea, but it's out there and was probably inevitable anyway), I wonder if the Emperor was in a case of "do as I say, not as I do".

 

DUUDE! I'm writing about it like NOW! See the link above and on my sig.

As far as the Kiminoans business after the war, I figured the Empire didn't have money in the budget to wait 10 yrs for another batch with sooo many threats from crime lords, resistance leaders, and stray Jedi, that it would take too much time. They needed troops NOW, which meant a draft was easier. There is also the pressing matter of putting funds into the Death Star which would make clones (essentially the superweapon of the Republic) obsolete. With the Death Star and a solid base of human conscripts the Empire could cut costs...

 

yes but what happened to the real kaminans(sp)

 

Haha, I've read part of Lexicon! I just didn't recognize your name. I thought it was excellent and I liked the direction you were going. You just found yourself a new dedicated reader.

Siri - My guess is they kept making clones, although they'd never have lucrative clients on the scale of the Republic again. They were way, way out past the outer rim, so I'd imagine they still recieved orders from different outfits who could afford their rates.

 

I read it to.Good yes when we get the challenge up your going to be one of the peoples ahead.

 

Actually I figured once the Clone War was over they just faded away, they were already pretty obscure.... What would be an interesting idea is fanfic about Kamino during or slightly after the OT.

 

Wow. for a pain killer induced question, it has spawned more insight then I thought it would. At least my toothache was good for something.

 

LOL... I've been spending quite a bit of time thinking about the subject, too much for any human being...

 

Besides, I'm a sucker for good discussion. You never know where it will lead. Sometimes the stupor-conceived ones turn out to be the most interesting.

 

I'm not sure exactly "what happenned" to the clones, but here's what we know:

1. Clones (which have been put through growth acceleration) continue aging at an accelerated pace. (Republic Commando: Hard Contact)

2. The Republic Navy officers (whom we never see in the movies) were regular humans (and sometimes even non-humans -- there was a Mon Calamari admiral in The Cestus Deception --during the Clone wars. Pellaeon was a captain of an Acclamator-class assault ship.

3. According to Empire comics, by the time of the Battle of Yavin, stormtrooper units were a mixture of clones and regular humans (although as far as we know, there were no clone officers).

What does this mean? Well, several things:

Despite the name "Clone wars", cloning was not discontinued after they ended (although it may have been reduced in scope)

Which brings up a question. Why was Luke surprised when he saw clone soldiers in Dark Force Rising, and why was everyone freaked out about it. The only explanation I see is that the concern was primarily over the high-speed cloning Thrawn developed, and the surprise came from the fact that by the time of the Galactic Civil War, the Empire used many different "templates", had mixed units, and so it was unlikely (unless it was a large unit and the Rebels bothered to take off all the helmets) that it would be spotted. Still, Han (a former Imperial officer) should have known about it, even if Luke didn't. It is also quite possible that, for whatever reason, the Empire lost its remaining cloning facilities sometime during the Galactic Civil War. I'm not saying I have a perfect answer, but can't think of a better one.

 

Aside from point 1, I agree with everything you have said, and the only reason I don't rate point 1 is because all my clones in my story would be soooo old they probably couldn't even train with Imps then. I haven't read any of the new EU Clone Wars stuff...

 

hey im back great stuff i am reading here.