Lit A Cynical Walk Through the NJO

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Cynical_Ben, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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  2. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Touche @Jedi Ben. Another option.
    Give us a couple centuries (maybe less) we might get to make them ourselves.
  3. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    Well, if we don't end up creating this first....

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  4. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    I have some problems with how powerful their gravity control is and I can not work my head around how their armour works of we go by the illustrations; I think we see to little vegetable based items and I remember that when I read the guides some of the tech felt a bit unimaginative.
    Also: some of the things the Vong do with their technology feels to me more like magic, something the Vong should not have since magic equivalence the Force in the SW.

    Outside of that, I would say that I like the idea and it is an excellent addition to the SW universe, at least in the Legacy-era
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  5. Cynical_Ben Force Ghost

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    It's hard to explain how a lot of the technology works without posting massive quotes from the books where the NR scientists dissect them. Things like the crab armor I don't have a problem with, it's just super heat resistant armor that's able to withstand a lightsaber but is not immune to it. And things like the lambent crystal that Anakin bonds with are cool little touches that keep it from being too outlandish.

    As for their gravity control, I don't have much issue with that, either. The yammosk, the dovin basals, the cognition hood and even the villips IIRC, all of those either manipulate or utilize one of the universal constant forces of physics to operate. What other forces are there that could be operated for, say, propulsion by a civilization that is entirely biologically based in terms of technology? They can't exactly build an ion engine out of living parts (well, they probably could but that would require things like fuel and heat shielding, and would be unimaginative from a narrative standpoint as well), and they've spent years floating out in the empty void of space between galaxies, in places where gravity might be the only resource they have available.

    Since the established races of Star Wars already manipulate gravity via internal compensators and repulsorlifts, it's not too outlandish to assume that the Yuuzhan Vong can make more advanced and specialized versions of much the same technologies. Honestly, I'd have more of an issue with it if the YV somehow manipulated light or sound for their technology to operate. Gravity, at least from a basic scientific perspective, makes sense.
  6. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    I used the wrong words/was unclear: what I mean is that the illustrations of the Vongs armour makes it hard for me to work my head around how they work; I don't have any problems with the concept, well except that I am little irritated that they are lightsabre proof, but, well...


    Do we know what the Vong had to face to breed such powerful armour?
  7. DarthSanctimonious Force Ghost

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    It's only a matter of time before we get a book about Revan's Sith invading the Yuuzhan Vong galaxy.
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  8. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    The Yuuzhan Vong biotechnology started off as ordinary life forms from Yuuzhan'tar which were subsequently genetically engineered to suit their technological needs. I'm guessing that something which is resistant to a lightsaber is equally resistant to, say, blasters, which may have been what was wielded by the machine life in the Yuuzhan Vong galaxy which they fought prior to the Cremlevian War.
  9. Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master

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    Is that what's going on with amphistaffs, too? I always scratched my head at how those things worked.
  10. stung4ever Force Ghost

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    From Traitor:

    So they're kind of electric eels, except instead of zapping stuff, they produce a force field.
  11. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    I will explain why I need some drinks after I-) and [face_coffee]
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  12. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Okey, I am awake and sober now and I have had time to think this over so I guess that it is possible in the SW universe that there are creatures that can create the energy needed to create a force field but that that they are the size of amphistaffs makes it hard for me to get my head around it. Also how in Korriban's all sith do you breed such an creature, especially with all the extra functions? And what do you fed it?

    We need a full book explaining the Vong’s biotech and how it works with lots of illustrations and technobabble

    Do we know how the armour can be (more-or-less) as resistant as blaster doors and look so, relatively, thin? Is it some super resistant material in the shells? Do they have a way greater density then "normal" armour? Are the vong actually just very thin and most of their bulk comes from their tick shelled armour?
  13. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    According to the source which invented the Potentium, it doesn't say that evil doesn't exist at all, just that it is not represented in the Force:

    Advocates of the concept had believed that the Force could not push one into evil, that the universe was inflitrated by a benevolent field of life energy whose instructions were inevitably good. - Rogue Planet, p267
  14. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    That doesn't contradict what I said. The Potentium can't push someone into evil if evil doesn't exist. Just because that particular sentence doesn't express that particular tenet of the Potentium doesn't mean it's not part of it.

    "I later learned that they had been taught a version of Jedi doctrine, though far from an orthodox one. They were believers in the Potentium, the doctrine that the Force is light only and that evil and the dark side are a kind of illusion." - Destiny's Way

    "Jabitha's father's understanding of the Force was flawed. I know that now. He thought that everything was one in the Potentium, a teaching that has survived among the Ferroans to this day. But the Jedi showed me that evil does exist, and I know that the Far Outsiders stand outside the Force." - Reunion

    I'm cool with the premise that the earliest source is correct and subsequent ones are wrong, and all that entails, though. :cool:
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  15. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Last monday was the 10th anniversary of the release of The Unifying Force. [face_party][face_dancing]
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  16. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    So in other words, 10 years back...

    One section of the board was: It's over! No, what am I gonna read now? :_|

    Another: Yay! It's done! So when does the better new Vong-less stories turn up?[face_dancing]

    Sadly, both sections would be roundly done over by The Joiner King....

    Me? Kind of in the middle as, not a fan of NJO, but liked a lot of what TUF did so, of course, when TJK casually threw that out the window.....

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  17. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    Yeah I was feeling pretty optimistic about the future of the Expanded Universe in November 2003.
  18. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Sucker
  19. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    :(
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  20. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Should have jumped to the Legacy era comic time period after that with some changes. The Post NJO books haven't been the best they could be but a lot of the other eras have had some good entries.
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  21. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    Seconded.

    EDIT: It is also, I think, time for that experiment I posted some time back - time to reread TUF.
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  22. Cynical_Ben Force Ghost

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    I'd join you, except I have to chug my way through the Force Heretic books, first.
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  23. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    I look forward to this.

    Ah what an interesting trilogy that was.
  24. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    DON'T! Really. It'll lull you in with a great first book before collapsing totally in book 3.
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  25. Darth_Garak Force Ghost

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    The only part of Force Heretic that never bored me was Nom Anor's storyline. But then again, Nom Anor is always fun.
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