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A generic question tangentially related to the Star Wars chronology

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sikon, Oct 30, 2006.

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  1. Sikon

    Sikon Jedi Youngling star 3

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    If people willingly support a dictator, do they deserve to suffer?
     
  2. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    No more than is absolutely necessary to be able to overthrow the dictator, preferably by internal enemies of the regime. (Instead of external enemies, who usually use the whole "overthrowing the bad dictator" as an excuse, not as a deeply felt moral principle that guides all of their foreign policy.) People who willingly support a dictator - like Tenel Ka;) - should not have to suffer just because they are misguided more than should people who support corrupt or ineffectual democratic governments.
     
  3. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    If the suffering is caused by the dictator, why not?
     
  4. Havet_Storm

    Havet_Storm Jedi Master star 3

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    Only if they have and condone the full facts about the dictator and the their regime. And only if the suffering is either caused by the dictator or fully nescessary - but then who's to judge whether it's truly nescessary. It also depends whether the people we're talking about are civilians or combatants.
     
  5. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Force Ghost star 5

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    This is tricky because of what at "Dictator" is.

    People will move mountains for certain leaders because they feel he does things for them...to them, he is not a dictator.

    A "dictator" usually represents some form of tyrannical rule by force or fear. People don't usually embrace men who rule through fear...it is only after they are in power that this becomes so.

    Hussein, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro were men with revolutionary ideas and a loud voice...either by election or coup d'etat, with massive support from people who don't know the whole truth. Once in power, the "man of the people" becomes "Chief of the State" and in turn the state follows the chief into his tyranny.

    Summary: No Dictator is embraced as a dictator (unless you are the Vong), so it's hard to imagine a scenario where people support an obvious dictator with their eyes open.
     
  6. Quinnocent-Till-Sith

    Quinnocent-Till-Sith Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm not sure people supporting a dictator would agree that they're suffering.
     
  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Exactly. Most countries look back with love at their old Imperial history, as nominal dictatorships, in some cases.

    Magaret Thatcher in the UK, Napoleon I-III in France, the Roman Empire in Italy....

    *shrugs*

    In answer to your question, Charlemagne - no, they do not deserve to suffer, as everyone, on some level, chooses a dictatorship.

    Only those who then maintain that dictatorship when the majority of people have clearly decided otherwise with fear, terror and violence should be punished, and not necessarily in kind, either.

    Dictatorships aren't inherently de-stablising evil entities. The Kanz lasted for three centuries, the Senex-Juvex sectors are still active, and the Hapans are still alive and kicking. Even the Hutts are fine.

    In reality, Castro has brought a great deal of stability to his country, which is only threatened by zealous democratic extremists or his possible death. Kim Jong Il has stabilised his region since the Korean war, with Chinese support, and has only recently started becoming a credible threat to world peace.

    In comparison to what was before - the Korean War - Il solved an even worse situation. Outright war is always worse than a dictatorship not wanting war.

    *shrugs*

    I have nothing about living in a dictatorship. If I wanted, I could argue the UK already is one, and theoretically Congress can render the democratic process moot in the USA anyway.
     
  8. IceHawk-181

    IceHawk-181 Jedi Master star 4

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    Tying this back into Star Wars, it is obvious that Palpatine fostered unity and order, albeit by force.

    He was legally appointed dictator for life by the legislature.

    Many of the people likely saw Empire as a means to avoid the horrors of intergalactic war.

    I doubt they considered themselves suffering.
     
  9. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Force Ghost star 5

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    More over, They don't see Palps as a dictator...not at first...but as a dutiful leader who brings order and peace.

    High Price.
     
  10. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    The problem with Palpatine is hindsight - he was not a man who saved the Old Republic from war, chaos, corruption etc and brought law, order and peace, but a man who personally was responsible for the war and partly by his own actions and through the Sith plan to overthrow the Republic&Jedi responsible for the corruption. The people in 19 BBY thought he was the real deal and thought him to be their saviour; like with Augustus in Rome after years of war people - those who were free in the first place - thought that giving up some freedom in exchange of lasting peace and stability was a good deal. So from their point of view accepting Palpatine as a dictator for life made sense. There appeared to be no alternative except war and chaos. But of course there was. In the real life there may be times when a dictatorship is the best alternative for a short time, when all other choices would cost more lives without bringing peace. But that can happen only in really bad situations.
     
  11. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    I support Palpatinian order. With spring ready to pilot into summer at any moment here, you won't get respite from miniskirted women. There's none of that bombardment with his bias. Imperialise them!
     
  12. LtNOWIS

    LtNOWIS Jedi Master star 4

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    Um, I thought his father did all that, and Il just inherited the position.
     
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