Lit A more perfect union? The Official Galactic Federation Triumvirate Discussion Thread

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  1. Skaddix Jedi Grand Master

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    Probably a combination I would assume. I could see the appeal of nobles marrying top jedi to get the benefit of force into their bloodlines
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    So far the Triumvirate seems sort of like... the Provisional Council post-RotJ? Basically the Rebel leaders trying to hold together a galactic government, but they look more settled in than the Provisional Council was, since they eventually gave way to the Senate (sort of).

    I'm kind of curious what state the bureaucracy is in by now actually. The transition from Old Republic to Empire was mostly smooth for Coruscant, but then there were several regime changes post-RotJ. The first time the New Republic took Coruscant was relatively easy, but then Dark Empire wrecked the planet but things were fine shortly after that too, so presumably the bureaucracy just rode out the siege and Imperial civil war and that was mostly it for Coruscant for the Galactic Civil War. Of course then there's the Vong War, with Coruscant being Vongformed and most of the native population either killed or hiding out or evacuated... but the novels just skipped past the rebuilding part of course. Would have been interesting to see Denon as the basis for the first new galactic bureaucracy in centuries if not longer.

    This new Triumvirate seems to integrate the Fel Empire into the GA at least, curious to see how much autonomy the Empire retains, or how separate it is. Before the Sith-Imperial War the Empire was based on Bastion and was expanding from there, but then Krayt took over most of the known galaxy and united it into his Sith Empire, so whether things went back to pre-war borders is the major question. It would be a hassle for Empress Fel to have to travel between Coruscant and Bastion all the time, but she could appoint someone to run things in her temporary absence, although in FotJ Jagged Fel sure seemed to spend more time on Coruscant than the actual Imperial capital. And no, Daala wasn't an Imperial Chief of State since Jagged Fel was the actual Imperial Head of State... yeah, somehow Daala was sort of "independent" of the major factions at the end of LotF (not like the Moffs like her) and was recommended by Bwua'tu (or something like that) so that's how she became Chief of State. A ridiculous story, but that's the novels for you, and the comics just have to do their best to dance around any potential major historical disasters, never know what the novels will do next.

    Not sure we'll see much of the Senate. Even before the GA fell, the Triumvirs seemed to be the authority, so was nice to see a relatively simple meeting. The chaos of the NJO (with a fleet commander trying to run a battle and talk before a committee is the last thing we need).

    Curious to see how much of a role the Jedi play, if they're just there as a tie-breaking vote, or perhaps as a police force, who knows. When that local governor was panicking about a possible Sith presence, she mentioned getting Coruscant to send Jedi so at least that's a good sign if people want to call on the Jedi to deal with any Sith. its hard to tell as that was a fake IK, but the Imperial Knights still seem like part royal body guard and part ambassadors/representatives, and while the real one was reporting mostly to Fel, the other members of the Triumvirate were there too, so the IKs might have a new role too, instead of just guarding the Empress. At least the Imperial Knights remembered their purpose, as War demonstrated. Kind of curious if anyone else knows exactly how Emperor Roan Fel died, and whether that could destabilize things in the future.
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    Here we have the crucial distinction between the IK and the Jedi, and the reason that they are two separate orders. The Jedi claim to follow the will of the Force as it is discoverable, the IK instead prefer to follow their monarch. The genetic line of the Fel dynasty was not constructed on religious terms -- the first emperor, Jagged Fel, is not even Force-sensitive. Theirs is a temporal rule, not a spiritual one.

    Instead, you must view it as a character-driven role for the IK. They balance the risk of hereditary government with a check on untrammeled tyranny: a ruler who becomes unfit is removed and replaced with the next dynast.

    Every monarchy in Christian Europe was legitimated and authenticated by the Church. Every monarch was anointed sovereign in a religious ceremony. This did not make them theocrats -- again, monarchs were emphatically the temporal counterpoint to the spiritual leaders of the Church. A theocracy is temporal rule by a religious head or organization, not a government merely associated with religion.

    Well -- the First Empire is extremely complicated and difficult to characterize. It was created that way by design. Here the form and style of government blend: the outward manifestations of Imperial power are all secular, as are the mechanisms of government. However, we can observe a transition over time: a gradual introduction of dark side adepts into the Privy Council. This process was not nearly complete by the time of Endor, though it was greatly accelerated by the revivified "dark" Empire on Byss.

    Consequently, the bulk of practice and material indicates that the First Galactic Empire was governed and ruled as a secular government which was always intended to transform into a dark side theocracy, but did not quite get there until the DE comics.

    It depends on how the triumvirate's succession is to be maintained. Is the reference to the Imperial Court a suggestion that the seat is hereditary in the Fel dynasty? If so, then there are still emperors and empresses, they are just triarchs instead of monarchs.

    No, but it does incorporate the Imperial Court, and we see references to Imperial this and Imperial that in the first issue.



    Ideally, Her Imperial Majesty would be the senior figure in government; first among equals, if you will.




    Unless Stazi grew quite comfortable operating a military campaign without oversight.



    Or indeed the papal states. However, we're talking about a matter of degree between a ruler who is divinely anointed to rule (Christian monarchy, even Chinese monarchy to an extent) versus a ruler who is primarily a high priest. In fact, I have to wonder to what extent Japan was actually theocratic under this schema since -- as I understand -- the priesthood was a titular and ceremonial role. Compare to the Roman emperors being pontifices maximi: the office, though heading a religion, was primarily civil.

    You have to be a Jedi to hold the Jedi seat in the triumvirate, presumably. What makes you think that a theocracy requires pushing of religious beliefs? Does a pornocracy require forced harlotry and public orgies?

    I have to disagree. While the First Empire pretty much maintained the Old Republic bureaucracy wholesale (WEG), the Rebellion actively pushed out former Imperials from government (TNR) and apparently started from scratch. This probably explains the economic and financial difficulties that the Rebellion had once it conquered the Core: ideological purity and political expediency replaced expertise as the criteria for government postings.
  4. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    Clearly there is a transition in the Imperial monarchy that results in the Emperor becoming the Head of the Imperial Knighthood as well as monarch. Hence the Imperial Knights refer to the monarch embodying the will of the Force. This happens sometime after Jagged Fel, no doubt, but clearly the current monarch is an Imperial Knight and serves as the head of their Order, as they Knights are pledged to serve the will of the Force as embodied by the monarch. This is not a secular establishment, even if the majority of the bureaucrats are not themselves Imperial Knights. The Empress is trained as a Knight and head of the Knighthood and is conceived of as embodying the will of the Force. This is a far cry from the "divine right of kings" and it being considered that they monarch rules by Divine Decree. This is more akin to the Prophet-Kings David and Solomon.
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  5. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    At best, your argument amounts to an assertion that the Imperial Knights aren't a secular establishment. Neither were some medieval orders of chivalry, also pledged to their monarchs who -- again -- served as the sovereigns of that order. Yet even if we were to concede for the sake of arguments that the Imperial Knights have religious underpinnings, this fails to characterize the role of the monarchy as religious.

    Recall Roan Fel's speech on Bastion -- he rules by right of birth and by choice, not by the will of the Force. There is a lot more to the Second Empire than the Emperor's bodyguards. Soldier #5 doesn't give two flips about the will of the Force -- he cares about the blood imperial. So do the mofference, the military, and the entire Second Empire. This is very different to a system where someone is given a seat simply because he is a priest: the Jedi seat on the triumvirate.
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    I would definitely like to learn about the sucession/election of new Triumvirs. I don't see the position be hereditary, as I get a vibe that the post-Krayt galaxy is suspicious of a strong executive, whether they are a Chief of State, an Empress, or a Chancellor. The cover blurb mentions that the galaxy is still somewhat suspicious of the motives of the new Triumvirate, so presumably there has to be some sort of check against this power, hence why I suspect strongly that we will learn there is a new Galactic Senate.



    Definitely equals, but I suspect any deference has less to do with her royal title and more to do with the fact that she is the only political leader in the group. K'kruhk is a Jedi Master and Stazi is a fleet commander, so it makes sense that Marasiah would take the lead in certain governmental/political areas. One imagines that in a military crisis that Stazi would probably come to the forefront, just as K'kruhk would probably take a central role in the even of a return of the One Sith.



    That is one thing I never feared from Stazi. His comments to Fel at the end of issue #36 echo this point: "Until such time as a new government can be elected, I am the Galactic Alliance." I believe Stazi is being genuine. If anything, I can see him being a reluctant Triumvir, forced into it due to his position as the most prominent Galactic Alliance leader during the last war, rather than any desire to rule.

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  7. Havac Some Guy Who Moderates Lit

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    I think there are a couple key issues. One of them is that we have essentially four elements in the Triumvirate, not three, and most everything else hinges on how that has been resolved. Fel's Empire-in-Exile was an Imperial state in the mold of the Fel Empire, but it was missing several important elements. The Moffs were all with Krayt's Sith Empire. The Emperor appears to have been acting with a lot fewer checks. It was organized on a war footing, and we can't be sure of much about how civilian authority was integrated. Stazi's Galactic Alliance Remnant was essentially a military force fighting a guerrilla war with the aid of civilian resources; it would be generous even to call it a government. Its organization cannot have had much in common with the actual Galactic Alliance's. Then we have the Jedi Order, represented by K'Kruhk. Also not a government. The fourth element is the one that's not represented on the triumvirate, and its status is the big question. I'm talking, of course, about Krayt's Sith Empire, which represented the consolidation of both the actual legitimate galactic governmental structures -- that of the Galactic Alliance and Fel Empire. We know that the GA surrendered to the Empire, and was subsumed by it, its bureaucracy subordinated to the Empire, which was itself then taken over almost immediately in a coup executed by Krayt's Sith. The LECG lets us know that the GA military was folded into the Imperial military, and the same appears to have occurred with the bureaucracy, with a thin layer of Sith commissars then layered over the top of that. This is the government that controlled the bulk of the galaxy, and this is where the actual bureaucracy and governmental structure of the galaxy went. This government then had the Sith at the top defeated and, presumably, the Triumvirate installed on top of it -- but that doesn't tell us where the old structures of the GA went, or what reforms were made to a governmental structure that the Sith had significantly bastardized.

    In short, it is eminently possible that the Galactic Alliance does not exist in a recognizable form anymore. Its military was folded into the Sith-Imperial military, its bureaucracy folded in, even the Senate preserved and folded into the system, apparently as a much less significant part than the Mofference -- has it been unfolded? Is everyone who wasn't in the GAR still in stormtrooper armor? That is, there would have to be a conscious effort to de-Imperialize the perceived "GA elements" of the Sith-Imperial government in order to produce a meaningful "GA" faction outside Stazi's little fleet.

    It's possible that there wasn't a split, that the unified, bastardized government of Krayt's Sith Empire remains, just reorganized. That leaves a lot of questions open. A lot. Does the Mofference still hold a great deal of power, as it formerly did? Is the Senate still a for-show appendage? If the likely answer to both is, "not quite," then what reforms have been made? Did everyone, even the former Imperial worlds, get senatorial representation under Krayt, or did he not bother? Does everyone get a senator now? Does everyone get a Moff now? How much governmental authority do Moffs have, sectorally speaking? Did Krayt fold sector moffs into the Senate, or senators into the sector-Mofference? What does the office of Empress mean anymore, other than "reserved hereditary seat on the Triumvirate for the former Imperial dynasty"? If the military remains unified, is everyone still in stormtrooper uniforms? Are GA uniforms just out? If they're not out, how do you figure out who belongs in what uniform? Presuming Krayt preserved some GA equipment and just sent the warships to guard less important worlds or something, are there mixed units or segregated units? Are they commissioning more GA ships, or is everything Star Destroyers now? What about the GA Remnant -- how are they integrated into a "GA" that probably doesn't look quite like them anymore? In some ways it's the cleanest changeover for the incoming Triumvirate government, but it's really a huge mess. A big, big mess.

    It's possible that there was such a split, to create separate, parallel hierarchies. Here are these parts of the galaxy, and they're ruled by the Galactic Alliance, and here are these parts and they're ruled by the Fel Empire, and at the top of both systems are the Triumvirs making decisions for both systems. The flow chart of that situation might look something like this:

    Old system:

    Triumvirate . . Emperor
    . . . . | . . . . . . . . . . |
    . . Senate . . Mofference
    . . . . | . . . . . . . . . . |
    . . . GA . . . . . . Empire

    New system:

    Triumvirate (now with Empress as member)
    . . | . . . . . . . . \
    . . | . . . . . Empress
    . . | . . . . . . . . |
    Senate . . Mofference
    . . | . . . . . . . . |
    . GA . . . . . Empire

    In such a scenario, you'd have separate and parallel structures, or some measure thereof. With the Imperial Knights acting as emissaries of the Triumvirate, it seems that some resources would be shared, but this would give us GA uniforms here and Imperial uniforms there, and perhaps a distinction between the sub-authorities of the Triumvirate -- the Triumvirs are on top, but is the Senate or the Mofference in-between? If you're thinking this sounds like a mess, it is, and it requires an effort to reconstitute the GA, getting the uniforms and ships back (presumably the GA's military equipment wasn't entirely liquidated by Krayt -- probably just assigned to less-significant worlds). This requires an effort made to re-split the governments, pulling the amalgamation back apart, deciding what to do with people who joined the government after it merged (do they hold Imperial or GA commissions/offices?), and deciding which worlds belong to which government. The result would be two separate, parallel governments under a union of leadership (think, say, Scotland and England pre-Act of Union), but while it leaves many questions open, they're not quite as many or as fundamental as if the amalgamated government had survived.

    We don't have the answers to know which scenario it is. But I really hope it's the second one.
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  8. Havac Some Guy Who Moderates Lit

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    One thing I wanted to tackle in that post, but forgot to include by the time I got to the end: neither the Empire-in-Exile nor the GA Remnant are the Fel Empire or the Galactic Alliance. Both of those original institutions were, at the end of the war, an agglomeration called the Sith Empire. It's thus possible that we have the separate systems I outlined in option two, but significantly different from the old GA and Empire. If there still exists a separate Empire, it may look a lot more like the Empire-in-Exile than the Fel Empire. The Mofference may no longer exist, at least not as a power center able to countervail the Empress. There may a lot more power centralized in the Empress (and effectively in the Triumvirate) than there used to be. Conversely, maybe the Triumvirate arrangement required the reimposition of an Imperial Senate. The Imperial Mission became terribly intertwined with the Sith -- has it been successfully revived, or did it lose its purpose entirely under a government in effective union with the GA?

    Stazi's GAR, on the other hand, was effectively a military unit rather than an effective government. If it's in power, it's questionable what elements of the Sith Empire -- the former GA people Stazi would now see as collaborators -- he would take back. Does he want governors who worked under the Sith back? If there was a GA governor who reluctantly went along, and a head of the loyalist GAR movement on the world -- a Gial Gahan type -- who becomes governor in the new power structure? How were those Gahan-types rewarded? Were they getting appointments? Were military officers getting appointments as governors and ministers and bureaucrats because they were the only ones Stazi trusted? How was the transitional period -- did Stazi maintain his military authority as GAR leader for a while and use it to purge the Senate of undesirables, block specific conspirators from office, etc, before calling for new elections? Has he himself ever been elected as Triumvir, or did he appoint himself and elections are for his successors? Please don't tell me the Triumvirate would select his successor. Is he still Supreme Commander of the military? How were ex-Vichy-GA military personnel handled? Did Stazi go through the whole military with a fine-toothed comb to pick out the people he would put in power? Did he hand out a ton of promotions to his GAR personnel to make sure loyalists were rewarded? The GAR was so bereft of civilian structure that it's harder to imagine that its alternative power structure has remained in place instead of the old one being restored than in the case of the Empire, but the old one was so disrupted, and Stazi such a militaristic leader, that it raises a lot of questions about how exactly he would have gone about restoring it, how much military power he still holds, to what extent the Senate, or at least initial Senates, were packed to include GAR supporters, etc.
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  9. Zeta1127 Force Ghost

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    Sounds to me like the Galactic Alliance Triumvirate is potentially a lot like the Roman Triumvirate before the rise of the Roman Empire.
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    [IMG]
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    [IMG]

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    [face_thinking] [face_mischief]
    Please don't initiate a Cold War between the GA and Jedi, and the Empire!
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    @Havac

    Those are two incredibly well thought out, well written posts. The exact caliber of discussion I was hoping to see. You never disappoint, my friend! [:D]

    To your question about how Stazi's GA Remnant gained enough legitimacy & power to be an equal on the Triumvirate, I suspect that a lot of this came from former GA worlds and senators. While the first Legacy only showed us Gial Gahan and made mention of former GA worlds donating warships, I think it isn't a stretch to expand on this "off camera" and make it that many other former member of the Galactic Alliance government offered covert support to Stazi's forces. In addition, there were presumably many worlds like Dac that were essentially GA members in spirit, even if they were under Sith-Imperial occupation or governorship. Once Krayt is defeated and the allies are securely in control of Coruscant, I can see a lot of these former senators and worlds contacting Stazi and essentially backing him to preserve some semblance of Alliance authority. To your question about the former GA military forces that were folded into Krayt's Imperial military, I assume many of these warships and units were potentially assigned to PSF's (under close Sith supervision). Given that Stazi's fleet in Legacy #36 is shown to be significantly larger but still composed of classic GA designs, I think this is the most logical assumption.

    As to whether this new government is a unified one or one with two parallel governments under one Triumvirate, in my mind the messiest setup is the latter. Re-drawing the galactic map would be nearly impossible and extremely contentious, as the GA and Fel Empire each have their own wants & desires. Unless there was some agreement to restore borders to the status quo antebellum, I cannot see either power easily giving up swaths of territory they have historical claims to, to say nothing of the always hot button issue of who controls Coruscant.

    As to the former Mofference, I suspect that they are either disbanded or returned to the former Remnant Space and resume power there on a local level. The Moffs were collaborators of the Sith on the highest level and viewed as villains by both Stazi's GA Remnant and Fel's Empire-in-exile. I cannot see any worlds in the greater galaxy welcoming their power, with the exception of the aforementioned hardcore Imperial worlds that these Moffs originally controlled. The Galactic Senate has the benefit of not being viewed as collaborators, IMO, as the old Senate was effectively disbanded when the Galactic Alliance surrendered and the new Imperial Senate was just a Sith puppet. The beauty of the Galactic Senate is that it would be very easy to simply call for elections and let each member world choose to re-elect their old senator or elect a new one. The Senate is the easiest place to clean house, hence why it should be at the forefront of this new government. Representative government at the senatorial level would make world much more inclined to follow the lead of the new Triumvirate.

    Ultimately, I think that the best thing for both the remnants of the GA and the Empire-in-exile is to start fresh. Essentially, start a new Republic in the mold of the best parts of the old. At the galactic (or federal) level, things would be democratic and run through an elected Triumvirate and Senate, while at the local level worlds would choose to be governed as they best saw fit. The Fel's could maintain their monarchy from their home on Bastion and presumably have control to some extent over their neighbors. This wouldn't mean that a Fel monarch couldn't run for galactic office, mind you. That is how I currently view Marasiah's place on the Triumvirate. She is Empress of Bastion and it's Imperial holdings, but in the Galactic Federation Triumvirate government she is essentially an elected official. Ditto for Stazi.

    How to explain K'Kruhk is up to someone else. :p

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  13. Havac Some Guy Who Moderates Lit

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    It would be possible for worlds or sectors to select which government they want to live under, or to negotiate a status quo ante or status quo ante plus/minus agreement and then give worlds the option to switch. That would be a little cleaner than making everybody actively choose.
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    The Moffs by the time of LEGACY seemed more like Cabinet officials than regional governors.

    There was one for the Army, for the Navy, for the overall Armed Forces, for the Diplomatic Corps, for the Imperial Mission, for Intelligence... and maybe there were lesser ones for things like Justice, Security, Education, Treasury, Infrastructure/Reconstruction, Health Services, Communications, Hyperspace Travel, Disaster Relief, etc.

    They could carry forward that purpose with the new Triumvirate. Probably would have to become appointed positions, though (I doubt Fel chose who his Moffs were). And some did redeem themselves.
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    That's likely a result of the power-sharing scheme they set up with the new Fel emperors. Unlike the First Empire, where the government ministers were appointed by the Throne and were largely privy counselors, the mofference probably sought to preserve a great deal of their previous power. The mofference was collectively in charge of everything under the Remnant, with a supreme commander in charge of the military. Granting moffs ministerial rank doubtless made up in small part for ceding authority to the Fel dynasty.

    Since we know that the Imperial Court is now a part of the triumvirate, it is possible that a new set of Imperial advisors and counselors constitute the Imperial ministry and that the moffs have been entirely supplanted due to their treasonous support of the Sith Usurper.
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    That could work, but what purpose then does the Triumvirate serve? If it isn't an official galactic government, is it provisional assembly that is committed to rebuilding the galaxy and restoring order? Is it more of a commission that sorts out what worlds or assets are assigned to the reconstituted Galactic Alliance and restored Fel Empire? These are possible, but IMO just as equally complicated as the GFT being a genuine government that replaced the GA and Fel Empire.

    I guess we can thank Jon Ostrander for this. I recall asking him after War #6 what he intended the Galactic Federation Triumvirate was via PM, and this was his response:

    "Whatever I speculate on what happens next is just that -- speculation. If anything does happen following up, I'm not in charge of it (although there's nothing more planned at the moment so far as I know). I COULD suggest that the triumvarate at the end is just a stop-gap measure while final boundaries and whatever are set up. There's been 7+ years of Sith rule and that would have to be politically sorted out, IMO."

    While John is 100% clear that his comments were speculation, it does seem that his ideas on the GFT align more with it being a provisional arrangement. I would be very interested to hear what Bechko and Hardman have to say about the GFT. [face_thinking]

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    It's complicated. It could be just a provisional arrangement -- in which case it could still take either form. It could be a totally unified government. It could be a dual government structure, one designed to let both of the major galactic forms of government cooexist, let people choose which one they want to live under, and keep the peace that way rather than forcing people to live under just one arrangement or the other, while still keeping the leadership of both unified so that we don't have the same conflict between them in the future. It could be a sort of superstate commission, with Stazi as the leader of the GA, Marasiah as the leader of the Empire, and K'Kruhk as the neutral mediator, with each governing their territories themselves, but having the ability to come together in the form of this higher authority, a sort of ultra-simplified UN that doesn't suck, to make big-picture decisions, guide policy, and keep tensions from rising.

    Honestly, I'd prefer any of them that aren't "We've got a bastardized single government now, and if we ever want to back out of this arrangement, we'll have to contrive some new war or crisis and break it all up again." I want something that ties them more closely together, gives us something interesting and new, but doesn't eliminate their uniqueness, and retains the potential for lower-level conflict and tension that can simmer without having to break out into galactic war.
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    I dunno. Part of me wants the dream of Betl Oxtroe and Ederlathh Pallopides to come true: a legitimate galactic constitutional monarchy.
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  19. Robimus Force Ghost

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    I've been veiwing this Triumvirate as a temporary thing at best.

    Marasiah is the only certified legitimate leader of her people of the three. Stazi may well have Pellaeon like power and influence but once the GA gets back on its feet I'd suggest he will be removed from power and replaced by a political representitive. Some one more representitive of the people of the GA.

    K'Kruhk represents no one. He is a hero of the war and I'll even admit a logical stop gap measure to get the government back on its feet. Something like the Jedi would have been had they managed to defeat Palaptine. Around to ensure a smooth transition, but with no long term role in the muggle government.

    I would also suspect that given time the Empire will be represented in this new Government by someone who is not Marasiah Fel. I'm sure major decisions would still pass through the Imperial Throne but I could see a special Moff assigned to represent the Empire to allow Marasiah to eventually transition her focus back to her own people and territory.

    Eventually we could see something of a United Nations overseeing the galaxy, but maintaining their own individual affairs.
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  20. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    From what I understood, it was the Emperor's secular power that was entirely ceremonial: even before the Shogunate usurped control of the country, the retired Emperor often had more power than the actual reigning Emperor. His role in ritual and religion was, from what I understand, very important though.

    Or maybe not. I also read that for large portions of Japanese history, many Japanese citizens did not even know there was an emperor.

    Even the Imperial line is descended from some up-jumped Correllian farmer?

    Come to think of it, the Fel line has to be one of the most aristocratic aristocratic lines in history.

    Also, very, very Corellian. Which, given Correlia's attitudes, is pretty hilarious.
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    What I've always found interesting about the Legacy era is that the Galactic Remnant forces did not have a significant civilian 'government-in-exile' involved with it (although I'm sure they were there to some extent). This, I imagine, is due to its origin - unlike the Rebel Alliance, which originated with (TFU notwithstanding) three powerful political figures, the GFFA-in-exile was primarily due to military forces.
    But let's not underestimate Stazi. After all, the Invincible arc indicated that he was a charismatic figure that the rebel forces centered around - no doubt there is popular sentiment towards him among the various pro-GFFA worlds across the galaxy.
  22. darthscott3457 Force Ghost

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    I wonder, on the Imperial side, if any of the higher positions in their government are elected, per the elections we saw in Apocalypse. I sure hope not though, I almost got physical ill reading about Imperial elections:)
  23. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    I pretty much see K'kruhk acting as a kind of buffer between the GA and the Empire on important issues. Marasiah Fel and Gar Stazi are the actual executives, while K'kruhk is basically what Jedi have always aspired to be... a mediator. He's in a permanent position to do so.
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    Thats all well and good except that the Jedi and the IK's have a history of not getting along that well.

    Anyway, if anything goes bad K'Kruhk will just run away and hide so everything will still work out fine in the end.
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    Oct 13, 2003
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    That's what I thought, but in #1 it seems like Stazi is the mediator, with K'Kruhk being the paranoid anti-Fel hardliner.