a new way to look at star wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by big_fat_yoda, Feb 15, 2003.

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  1. big_fat_yoda Jedi Padawan

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    i just thought of something, the actual heroe in star wars is anakin. in fact anakin is the main character in star wars. it's all about him overcoming the dark side. in rotj he is the one that saves the day, but not without lukes help.

    What are your thoughts
  2. Darth_Sidious143 Jedi Youngling

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  3. Darth_Shade Jedi Youngling

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    Yeah Anakin is the hero of the Star Wars saga which seems weird being as he's also the main powerful villain(except ROTJ)in the OT.
  4. TheOzhaggis Force Ghost

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    Actually, he's not the villain.

    But if you really want a new way to look at star wars, try this:

    Star Wars is a fairytale.
    Vader is the hero. The evil wizard puts him under a spell.
    He remains under the spell until a member of his family finds a way to break it.
    And they live happily ever after.


    Which is entirely true.
    From a certain point of view.
  5. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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    I wonder if George ever thought Anakin might be the main character...


    ;)
  6. Anakinisthechosenone Jedi Knight

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  7. Ret Jedi Grand Master

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  8. VoijaRisa Force Ghost

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    a new way to look at star wars

    This isn't really a new way...
  9. medleyoz Jedi Master

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    "And they live happily ever after"
    well kind of seeing as Anakin died but lived on in the force.

  10. RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling

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    Little Anni is the tragic hero of the SW saga
  11. threepio_mania Jedi Knight

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    I have to disagree. The main hero of Star Wars is R2-D2.

    One reason why I don't like the characters of Anakin and Padme is because they didn't take R2 seriously. Remember when one of them said "R2 is here to protect us" and they both laughed? You would think Padme would remember when R2 saved the day by fixing her ship's engine. I'm pretty sure R2 was a big help to Anakin at one point as well.

    Oh well. He showed them when he saved Padme's sorry ass in the factory. Good thing R2 doesn't hold grudges.
  12. The_Deal_Alterer Jedi Knight

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    Not to sound insulting, but are you guys kidding me? The hero of the Star Wars Saga is Luke.

  13. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    You're absolutely right Yoda! When the saga is seen altogether it is the tale of Anakin's fall then redemption. Just because it's his tale doesn't mean Luke doesn't have a VERY important part. He believed in his father when absolutely no else did and never gave up.
  14. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    "The hero of the Star Wars Saga is Luke."

    Anakin is the tragic hero of the Saga. The PT is told from his point of view, whereas the OT is told from Luke's point of view, but almost every action he takes (especially in ESB and ROTJ) pertains to Vader/Anakin in some way or another.

    Remember, Anakin eventually kills the Emperor, not Luke.

    "When the saga is seen altogether it is the tale of Anakin's fall then redemption."

    Exactly.
  15. DarthAttorney Manager Emeritus

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    Anakin is definately the hero of the Saga and the story is definately about him.

    Essentially it's his rise to power, fall from grace and redemption through his son.
  16. dArTh_wenley Jedi Grand Master

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    Thats the way many people are now looking at the Saga - the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker.
  17. J-Solo Jedi Master

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    Well....I see what you guys mean, and lately Lucas himself is saying that, but to me the hero of the saga is Luke Skywalker. And his stoy is very tragic as well.

    He as raised as an orfan; he saw his foster family burn in front of his eyes;

    he decided to be "a Jedi like his father" only to discover that his father was the guy he believed to be the murder of his father (wow, bad sentence there, but true!);

    he lost a hand and almost kill himself escaping from Vader;

    he risked his life to save all of his friends and was ready to give his life instead of going to the Dark Side;

    in doing so, he also rescued his father back to the bright side.

    To top everything, his only crush in the entire saga turned out to be his sister!

    Tragic or not? That's my hero.
  18. The_Deal_Alterer Jedi Knight

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    I don't know why everyone proclaims the Star Wars Saga as "The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker" like it's some sort of documentary. Although he is one of it's main characters, it is not his story.

    Star Wars is a story about a galaxy in peril and how it was saved. The hero who saves this galaxy is Luke Skywalker.

    Anakin is only the "tragic hero" up until Episode III. By Episode IV he has become the villan of our story.



  19. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    "like it's some sort of documentary."

    Actually, it's the words right out of Lucas' mouth. ;)
  20. LucasCop Jedi Knight

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    Actually....

    The saga is about the Skywalker family amid a galaxy in chaos and strife.

    As for the saga being Anakin's story, it is thus only in that the plot elements of introduction, rise, climax, and resolution extend throughout the six chapters as a subtext to the main plots of the individual episodes.

    Narratively speaking, considering that the trilogies are separated by about 20 years with considerably different casts of characters, it is appropriate to view the PT as the story of "Anakin's" adventures, and the OT as the story of "Luke's" adventures. The audience needs only be reminded that their individual stories become one at the conclusion of ROTJ, and Anakin's plot thread is finally resolved.
  21. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    "The saga is about the Skywalker family amid a galaxy in chaos and strife."

    Heaven forbid we should accept Lucas' word for what the saga is about. ;)

    "As for the saga being Anakin's story, it is thus only in that the plot elements of introduction, rise, climax, and resolution extend throughout the six chapters as a subtext to the main plots of the individual episodes."

    Subtext? More like the overall theme. Anakin's "family" is the subtext. Luke's character in ESB and ROTJ has no meaning or motivation (or lineage) without Anakin. This was not the case in earlier scripts. Leia as a sister isn't even really touched on until ROTJ, and even this was a last minute change. As for Padme...well...who knows until 2005?

    Don't forget that most of the original titles were "The Adventures (Mace Windu/Anakin Starkiller/The Starkiller)", but nothing about anyone's "family". Luke wasn't even anyone's son until much later versions. Had Lucas started the Saga with Episode 1, rather than 4, this confusion over whose story it is wouldn't even be an issue.

    "The Star Wars", May 1973.
    "General Luke Skywalker, a samurai-like, superhuman Jedi warrior, and his
    friend Annikin Starkiller, also a Jedi, lead the princess on a dangerous
    escape route past Aquilae."


    "The familial relationship of Luke and Leia has its roots in these drafts, but
    there seems to be no mention of the fact that Vader, the Dark one, is Luke's
    father. Lucas was still deciding whether Vader would really be Luke's
    father during the filming of the trilogy. The idea seems to come from the
    seduction of Darklighter combined with Luke's Jedi parentage in the second
    and third drafts. The whole notion of Luke's quest to save his father from
    the Dark Side must have evolved later, during the making of episodes 5 and
    6.
    Han and Leia don't seem to have a relationship either (perhaps Han is too
    interested in his Guinea Pig). When one examines "A New Hope" alone,
    one sees that Luke's parentage and Han and Leia's romance do not
    necessarily follow, and that these aspects of the story seem to have been
    developed after "A New Hope" was written."
    "This look at the earliest development of Star Wars shows that in many
    ways, the saga continued to evolve as the films were made, becoming
    deeper and more satisfying as it went. It is like Star Wars through the
    looking glass, a glimpse of what might have been, and an insight into the
    creative process."


    "it is appropriate to view the PT as the story of "Anakin's" adventures, and the OT as the story of "Luke's" adventures. The audience needs only be reminded that their individual stories become one at the conclusion of ROTJ, and Anakin's plot thread is finally resolved."

    I would agree with this for the most part, but the saga begins and ends with Anakin's plot thread, thus making it the dominant story arc. The saga doesn't end with the Emperor being killed and the Empire destroyed; it ends with Anakin becoming redeemed and one with the Force, as he was always destined to do. ANH focused on Luke because it gave the film a visible "hero", and there was n't enough time to get into the backstory (which was obviously not set in stone at the time.)
  22. LucasCop Jedi Knight

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    Well....right.

    That's the point I'm making. There is no reason for confusion because there IS no confusion.

    However you slice or dice it, it all comes down to semantics and one's own literary point of view.

    The only reference point I provide is what is now produced - not what may now reside in some scrap paper thrown in some forgotten notebook.........
  23. MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master

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    "That's the point I'm making. There is no reason for confusion because there IS no confusion."

    However you slice or dice it, it all comes down to semantics and one's own literary point of view."


    But it's the "different points of view" that lead to confusion! ?[face_plain] Otherwise, everyone would be in agreement that the Saga is about Anakin. You are saying two different things here.

    "The only reference point I provide is what is now produced - not what may now reside in some scrap paper thrown in some forgotten notebook........."

    [face_laugh] Forgotten by some, ignored by others, and perused by those who want to get more out phenomena that is "Star Wars". It is precisely this material that enhances one's "literary point of view". While this material is not necessary in order to enjoy the films, it's fun to know the history of "The Star Wars" in order to get a better understanding of the characters and concepts in the films. People who have actually done this kind of background reading were not suprised to see a character named "Mace Windu" in the PT.

    Besides, the various rewrites give amazing insight into the mind of George Lucas, to give you a better understanding of what he really wanted to emphasize in the final product, as well as what was ultimately dropped (or reconsidered for the PT.)

    Then again, you could simply watch the films and be happy with that. :)
  24. The_Deal_Alterer Jedi Knight

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    Regardless of who the main character of the story is, Luke is it's hero.
  25. SomeRandomNerd Force Ghost

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    Q: How many characters are every episode of the story from start to finish?

    A: Anakin, Obi Wan (if appearing as a ghost counts), C3P0, R2D2.

    If the Star Wars saga has ONE main charcter, it is therefore one of those four.
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