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Lit A Poor Tribute to a Legend: The Admiral Ackbar

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Vialco, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Considering his distaste for pirates and smugglers, it is only fitting that one of the - at the time of DN - new Victory-IIIs, which are supposed to be pirate-hunters after all, is named after Ackbar.

    However I'm probably talking to myself when I say, that the Calamari-Admiral should call himself lucky, if even a simple customs-corvette is named after him.

    - at the battle of Endor he lead the Rebel-fleet into a trap. It was Lando, who suggested to directly engage the Star Destroyers and to give the ground-team more time.
    - Coruscant Ackbar conquered, because Ysanne Isard wanted him to conquer it.
    - Zsinj was defeated by Han Solo and a bunch of Hapans.
    - Bilbringi was another trap Ackbar walked into. This time it was Talon Karrde's smuggler-alliance and the blade of the Noghri Rukh, that saved the day for the NR.
    - DarkEmpire. What did Ackbar do during DarkEmpire, aside from losing the core, because his fleet was totally out of place?
    - during JAT he did perform well against Daala, who is ... well, Daala.

    Aside from his questionable successes as a battlefield-commander, his work as Secretary/Minister of Defense is dubious, too. Not only did it take him more than a decade to recongnize, that there might be some use to battlecruisers and dreadnoughts, no, most new ship-designs introduced during his term were quickly replaced with the next overrated design.

    Which brings me to my last point:
    Sien Sovv and Borsk Fey'lay had to fight the first stages of the YV-war with the NRDF left to them by Ackbar. Consequently they are blamed for the bad course the war takes under their leadership.
    But who is the one, who gets all the credit and praise, when the NR finally manages to get back on the street to victory? A comeback only possible with recruitment and arming-up started by Sovv and Fey'ley? Ackbar!

    It would actually be funny, if it weren't so sad.
     
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  2. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    - at the battle of Endor he lead the Rebel-fleet into a trap. It was Lando, who suggested to directly engage the Star Destroyers and to give the ground-team more time.


    The operational status of the DSII was an intelligence matter, not a fleet matter. The ProvoCouncil as a whole was convinced that the information was genuine. Moreover, Ackbar spotted the trap instantly.

    Ackbar wisely kept his capital ships shielded from the starfighter attack and maintained distance from the Imperial fleet. When the DSII started firing, Ackbar made the strategic move to get the heck out of there -- attacking a superior fleet was crazy, and the Rebel fleet was mauled for their efforts. Lando was gambling -- that's what he does. Ackbar was trying to preserve the only Rebel fleet there was. If Han hadn't pulled through, the Imperial Navy would have torn the Rebel fleet apart.

    - Coruscant Ackbar conquered, because Ysanne Isard wanted him to conquer it.


    The conquest of Coruscant is more Wedge's baby than Ackbar's -- and though Isard gave up the planet, she was trying to stop Wedge from taking it as early as he did. Ackbar's role in this was minimal.

    - Zsinj was defeated by Han Solo and a bunch of Hapans.


    Yes, but Rogriss -- no slouch at fleet tactics -- was outmatched by Ackbar in the successive scramble for territory, and even admitted so.

    - Bilbringi was another trap Ackbar walked into. This time it was Talon Karrde's smuggler-alliance and the blade of the Noghri Rukh, that saved the day for the NR.


    Ackbar was outmatched by Thrawn and he knew it. But Thrawn also considered Ackbar enough of a threat to try to take him out of the picture -- if he was as ineffectual as you say, why would Thrawn waste his time?

    - DarkEmpire. What did Ackbar do during DarkEmpire, aside from losing the core, because his fleet was totally out of place?


    Seriously? So if you were sitting in the NR's War Room, you would recommend doing absolutely nothing to chase down a collapsing Empire after Thrawn's defeat? Yeah okay, Tuesday morning quarterback or whatever that expression is.

    Aside from his questionable successes as a battlefield-commander, his work as Secretary/Minister of Defense is dubious, too. Not only did it take him more than a decade to recongnize, that there might be some use to battlecruisers and dreadnoughts, no, most new ship-designs introduced during his term were quickly replaced with the next overrated design.


    That's not his fault -- that's Mothma's, who didn't want an Imperial-style big ship strategy. And frankly, after the mopping up of the remnants was over, the NR didn't afford and didn't need to be overmilitarized. You think they knew the Vong were coming?

    Sien Sovv and Borsk Fey'lay had to fight the first stages of the YV-war with the NRDF left to them by Ackbar. Consequently they are blamed for the bad course the war takes under their leadership.
    But who is the one, who gets all the credit and praise, when the NR finally manages to get back on the street to victory? A comeback only possible with recruitment and arming-up started by Sovv and Fey'ley? Ackbar!


    The funny thing about all this is that Sovv and Fey'lya actually DID lose the Core due to inept management of a war they ACTUALLY knew about.



    AdmiralNick22, you're welcome.
     
  3. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Let's not forget Ackbar outfought and defeated an Imperial Grand Admiral. They don't just give that position away you know.


    Jello paid a massive bribe for his.
     
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  4. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    GrandAdmiralJello

    Well done. I have debated my fellow Fleet Junkie Fteik on this issue numerous times over the years. No need to spill additional ink on the subject. :p

    --Adm. Nick
     
  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    And there is the Thrawn Pincer tactic....
     
  6. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    According to TTT the Imperial Grand Admirals were the greatest military geniuses Palpatine could find. As we later learned, that was either hyperbole of the highest order or Palpatine hasn't been searching very hard.

    And my actual point isn't that Ackbar is ineffectual, but that he is overrated.
     
  7. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    "Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy. Their cruisers protected our fleet at the Battle of Endor, allowing the starfighters to penetrate the second Death Star's core. Without Admiral Ackbar and his people, we would all be the Emperor's slaves."
    Mon Mothma[src]
     
  8. DarthCane

    DarthCane Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Back before I lost interest in the future of the EU, I did have a line of post-Legacy GA (or would it be GFT?) warships planned out according to a naming scheme:

    • CR280 Corvettes: Officially assigned hull numbers only, but typically named by their crews and informally recognized by those names. Fits their adaptability and "wolf-pack" tactics.
    • Calrissian-class Frigates: Distinguished military figures, befitting their role as squadron flagships and carrier escorts.
    • Dac-class Fleet Carriers: Major naval battles, befitting their role in launching strikes throughout entire sectors.
    • Indomitable-class Battlecruisers: Distinguished historical warships or virtues, befitting their typical operations as lone wolves or heavy battlegroups.
    • Ackbar-class Star Defenders: Distinguished military leaders and politicians, befitting a command ship for an entire regional fleet.
    • New Hope-class Star Dreadnoughts: New Hope and Alliance were two names I felt fit the bill for a class of 2-4 "one-ship fleets;" something that invokes a Big Damn Heroes moment whenever it shows up.

    I do agree that we could stand to see some better naming conventions - I was a bit disappointed that the lone surviving full-size Mon Cal Star Defender after the YV war shared its name with a real-world ship most famous for the crew chucking their officers overboard so they could go get drunk and chase grass skirts in Tahiti.
     
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  9. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Yeah, that's something I wish I had emphasized in my feedback. I had written a piece a while back about conjecturing Rendili's comeback in the NR days leading to proliferation of new VSDs in the DNT - notice that the Chiss(!) also have their own versions of VSDs in the trilogy.
     
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  10. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    I so need a frowning Admiral Harrsk smiley :/
     
  11. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah Harvey Dent there was one of the FIRST traitors.
     
  12. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Well Harrsk would certainly have made a better Procurator of Justice then Hethrir. :p Though he apparently was one of the first to hook back up with Palpatine once he came back.
     
  13. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Right then, let's toss a coin:

    Heads: Your planet gets lightly bombed
    Tails: Base Delta Zero.
     
  14. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Rendili has a long history of naval starship construction for galactic governments, so it would be cool if they came back into prominence under the New Republic and continued to be successful under the Galactic Alliance.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  15. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    The NEGVV does state that Rendili is "constantly researching new designs and technologies" in the NR era, and selling to both the NR and Imperial Remnant, for whatever that's worth.