CT A question about an age-old debate...

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by darthbarracuda, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. darthbarracuda Jedi Grand Master

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    I know what you are thinking: "This is a "who shot first? Han or Greedo?" thread.

    Not quite.

    I never understood what exactly the changes were. What was the scene like in the very first edition of ANH, and how did it differ from the scene in the special edition releases?

    I keep getting different answers all over the web...
  2. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Here you go:



    Note that what the original is being compared to in that video is the 1997 version, not the most recent (2011) version.
  3. darthbarracuda Jedi Grand Master

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    Thank you very much. IMO Han probably moved to shoot Greedo, and Greedo flipped and didn't shoot straight. idk
  4. Attariel Jedi Padawan

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    There is what you see in the films currently when they both shot about the same time, I believe that the change was made to give Han more of a devils luck appearance. That he does what he has to do just in the nick of time( its a thing that was carried over to the indiana jones films too) but as to the real reason they changed it that is easy. You cant have a hero shoot first. I personally have a Tshirt saying Han shot first and thats what I am gonna stick too.
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  5. jedimikey Jedi Master

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    I also have that t-shirt.

    I remember the scene well, Han smirks and just blasts Greedo through the table. He took Greedo's comment literally and shot him first.
    "Over my dead body," "That's the idea, Solo." Obvious threat on Han's life, yes? Even as a seven year old boy, I fully understood Han's reasoning for killing Greedo. Any gun-slinging smuggler would've done the same thing. So why did GL change it? I suppose because the younger generation of kids didn't grow up seeing Bonanza and Eastwood's spagetti westerns? ;)

    Personally, if Greedo missed Han from a meter away, then he's either near-sighted or just plain stupid, and deserves to die anyway.
  6. SlashMan Jedi Grand Master

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    The added wide shot in between is what most fans seem to dread. The shot was unused initially, but has since been added in and edited to show Greedo's infamous gunshot. What makes it seem odd is that the scene clearly didn't intend to show Greedo firing, which caused Han's awkward neck movement.
  7. Star Wars age 9 Jedi Padawan

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    The original was brilliant. At 9 years old, in 197: I thought it was brilliant.
    When I watch it now, the flow is gone, it doesn't work, it;s awkward - make little sense and looks terrible.

    This - is what I saw - and recorded in 1978 or 79. I drew this before the Special Editions ever existed.
    http://starwarsage9.com/index.php/part-v/han-shot-first-12

    From the mouths of babes indeed.
    John

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  8. Trask Ulgo Jedi Master

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    When a Rodian threatens me with a blaster I don't shoot him because I don't want to send the wrong message.
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  9. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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  10. Trask Ulgo Jedi Master

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    Wolfman shot first.
  11. Star Wars age 9 Jedi Padawan

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  12. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    The EU makes Greedo an idiot who was sent over to get Han because they wanted greedo dead and knew Han would kill him. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_Hunter's_Fate:_Greedo's_Tale
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  13. Joe Force Ghost

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    I could honestly care less who shot first. The entire SW community has overblown the impact of a half-second of footage which, quite frankly, most people don't even notice! Han still kills Greedo either way.
  14. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    This!
  15. Lars_Muul Chosen One

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    I thought the age-old debate was: Did Yoda ruin Star Wars with his Muppet-like antics?





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  16. Ambervikings91 Jedi Grand Master

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  17. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    Given that it's not necessarily about the usual flame-war inducing nonsense, this isn't a bad topic. There's been five different versions of the scene:

    - 1976 John Jympson 'Lost Cut' (rough assembly - cantina scene included on the 1998 Behind The Magic CD-ROM, now included in the Blu-Ray OT deleted scenes)
    - 1977 release
    - 1997 SE
    - 2004 DVD
    - 2011 Blu-Ray

    The 'Lost Cut' version was just a rough way of tricking the shot, parts were re-shot anyway. Han basically shoots first.
    The 1977 version was the ambiguous version - blaster flash, Greedo falls to the table. Just who shot 'first' isn't important, more a case of both shooting, only one hit.
    1997 - Greedo fires, misses completely, Han shoots & kills him.
    2004 - Greedo fires, Han dodges & shoots, kills Greedo.
    2011 - Greedo fires first, but the shot has been shortened considerably & looks far more convincing.
  18. Ord-Mantell70 Jedi Grand Master

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    See you for the 6th in a couple of years, when the Blu-ray 3D or whatever new support comes out. :D

    Arghhh !!!, I forgot. George is no more in control...
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  19. Lars_Muul Chosen One

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    In the next cut, Jack Sparrow shoots first.





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  20. Poor Greedo Jedi Grand Master

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    watching ANH on tv and vhs as a child in the 80`s, one can only draw this conclusion, Han shot first. first impressions and all that.
    Last edited by Poor Greedo, Jan 15, 2013
  21. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    One single blaster was fired, not two. Han didn't shoot first, he was the only one that fired. Greedo never got off a shot.
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  22. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    Both partners should always be allowed to get off....
  23. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    You are much older than I thought.
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