You know what's sad? We've kept this secret from everyone for years (as well as the RW) and the moment it's on TV the show watchers ruin it for everyone. My dad couldn't watch it on Sunday night due to getting to work early so he was going to watch it on Monday and some random dude spoiled it for him. If/When the show overtakes the books I can't see how some book readers will remain unspoiled until the books come out, it's just not viable and I doubt we would see the same respect we showed them. As for the TV only thread, I'm actually getting dumber by reading the theories such as Tywin. If you think it's him then you're an idiot. He said he does things for his family and he didn't even kill Tyrion whom he hates, so why would he kill Joffrey?