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Amph A Song of Ice and Fire Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by -RebelScum-, Jan 3, 2006.

  1. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    You're wrong. I understand criticisms of his meandering style-- though I wonder why they were fans in the first place-- but he knows where he's going. The showrunners are just making stupid choices.

    And I agree with Jello. Gurm is definitely implying the show ending wasn't his.
     
  2. yankee8255

    yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    My take on what he said is that what happened to the babies was never going to be revealed in the books. It could be true (Craster's wives believe that's what happens) but maybe not. The show runners took what the wives said in the one scene and ran with it. Probably without talking to GRRM first.

    Has anyone watched the "Inside the Episode"? D&D talk anout being influenced by horror movies of the 70s and 80s, how they made the monsters scarier by not showing much of them (Jaws and Aliens come to mind). D&D really emphasize that. And then show far more of the Others than means necessary by any measure.


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  3. Skywalker8921

    Skywalker8921 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Okaaay ...

    Trouble's brewing in Mereen.

    GrandAdmiralJello, you mentioned Bran gets captured by a group of deserters from the Night's Watch in "Oathkeeper." Is this the same group that Coldhands slaughters in ADWD Bran I? If so, I agree that the whole storyline being changed in the show is stupid.
     
  4. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The fate of those who murdered Mormont is left ambiguous in the books. Bran never encounters any NW personnel other than Sam.
     
  5. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Considering that those who fled back to the Wall were being harassed by Others and wights, I think the fate of those at Craster's was implied.
     
  6. yankee8255

    yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Well, it's more than implied that at least some of them are killed by Coldhands in ADWD.


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  7. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, pretty sure that they all got killed by CH after they left the keep.
     
  8. Blue_Jedi33

    Blue_Jedi33 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I know the books are not the same as the TV series, but shouldn't this character "Coldhands" have appeared by now?
     
  9. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    See, I thought that Coldhands killed the wildling survivors of the siege on the Wall. The wildlings broke after Stannis arrived and some of the survivors fled into the wilderness. Varamyr was one of them.
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Damn, it was a short passage so I don't remember if they were Wildlings or wights or Night's Watch.

    EDIT: The wiki says they were indeed the mutineers. Huh.
     
  11. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    They were the Night's Watch mutineers if I recall.
     
  12. yankee8255

    yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The book itself doesn't say who they are (Bran doesn't know the mutineers, after all) but they were clear NW by their clothing.

    As for Coldhands, this would be their last chance to bring him in on the show, but I doubt they will. Didn't one of the actors even confirm that CH was dropped?

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  13. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    From the GoT thread:

    Episode didn't have much. Still not entirely sure what the point of Locke was. Yeah he managed to make Bran and Jon miss each other (with a timely assist from Jojen), but they could have found other ways to do that. I also felt bad for Hodor, when he was looking down at his bloody hands. Poor guy.

    Oh also the Hound making fun of Syrio was hilarious. As was Brienne and Pod. Jon was pretty badass this episode. Kit's been knocking it out of the park this season.
     
  14. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    hahahaha

    FOREVER, SON.
     
  15. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    The prime way to have made Bran and Jon miss one another is not to have contrived that stupid almost-encounter in the first place.
     
  16. Miana Kenobi

    Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well there goes my thought about Locke taking over for Biter...

    And OMG Pod and Brienne was adorable.
     
  17. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    The mines running dry lol.
     
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  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Means Lord Tywin's not getting enough fiber.
     
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  19. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Not sure calling the writers/show people D&D in a thread about fantasy novels is the best use of the acronym...
     
  20. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Oberyn: "We don't hurt little girls in Dorne."
    Darkstar: "Oh hai, didn't see you there."
     
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  21. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    1. Why were the White Walkers avoiding Bran?
    They couldn’t stand the Hodor.

    2. If Jaime usurped the Iron Throne, what would be his first act?
    Finding a Hand of the King.

    3. Why don’t the Greyjoys do any laundry?
    They would have to pay the iron price.

    4. What does the little Stark boy desperately need?
    Some Bran’ new legs.

    5. How can you tell when Lord Bolton is cold?
    He gets Roose-bumps.

    6. When did Brienne realise Jaime was hitting on her?
    When he asked: “Are you sure we’re not related?”

    7. How much did Jon Snow win on Jeopardy?
    Bugger all. He knew nothing.

    8. The bakers of King’s Landing took their revenge on Joffrey by retrieving his body, cutting him up and putting him in a sandwich. What was it called?
    Joffrey’s inbred.

    9. Where did Stannis drink away his sorrows after the Battle of the Blackwater?
    Flagonstone.

    10. What is Tyrion’s favourite TV show?
    Imp My Ride.

    11. What did the railing say to reassure the staircase?
    “A banister always pays its steps.”

    12. Why didn’t Theon cut Ramsay’s throat with that razor blade?
    He didn’t have the balls.

    3. What do you call a bunch of outlaws who kill Lannisters, kidnap children and never say please?
    The Brotherhood Without Manners.

    14. Why do the Greyjoys import all their clothes?
    They do not sew.

    15. The Starks may not have the Iron Throne, but they do have ...
    Iron MAN.

    16. Why was winter running so late?
    Winterfell and it couldn’t get up.

    17. What is the Grand Maester’s second job?
    He’s a pie seller.

    18. Which Game of Thrones character is most like Santa Claus?
    Ho Ho Hodor! (Honourable mention: Khal Hoho)

    19. What do the girls in Littlefinger’s brothel call their favourite customer?
    Podthick Payne.

    20. What did Jeor and Jorah want to add to their family computer?
    Morefonts.

    21. Some of Daenerys’ troops have started strolling instead of marching. What’s their nickname?
    The Unhurried.

    22. What does it say on Jon Snow’s business card?
    Jon, Crow.

    23. When someone swears allegiance to Daenerys, they are ...
    Jumping on the band-dragon.

    24. Tywin Lannister has an incompetent cousin. What’s his name?
    Tylose Lannister.

    25. How did Walder feel before the Red Wedding?
    His nerves were Freyed.

    26. What do you call a creepy ex-boyfriend north of the Wall?
    A White Stalker.

    27. What is Roose Bolton’s favourite dessert?
    The dread tort.
     
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  22. SWpants

    SWpants Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Oh goodness. Those are quite humourous.
     
  23. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Really? I've seen better inside Christmas crackers.
     
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  24. SWpants

    SWpants Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    those are the first ASOIAF jokes I've seen. Some made me roll my eyes but I chuckled at quite a few , like 26
     
  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Anyway, guess we'll see Braavos next episode. Finally. The map sequence has been getting pretty stale. There's never been this little change over a long number of episodes. But they're hitting the point in the story where nothing happens ( at least for a few characters) and in the plot lines where things do happen, they invent things to make it boring instead.

    Summer Dreamer's quoted comment is hilarious. I'd have replied to him with something like "sweet summer child."

    And the Lannister mines being dry are silly. The implication is that they have no money ( which is scarce credible, both for practical and narrative reasons ) and that the IB is crucial. The show is setting up the Stannis plot with basically no subtlety at all. Par for the course.


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