Amph A Song of Ice and Fire Discussion Thread

Ho boy. In no particular order

Talisa in general. Her name is actually Jeyne Westerling and she only shows up in Book 3 though, not 2 as in the show.

Ramsay, on the other hand, shows up in Book 2 unlike the show. He's also much more psychopathic. The entire Northern plotline gets shifted around a bit. Ramsay is a threat even in the beginning before Theon's capture of Winterfell, and how Ramsay takes the castle back is brilliantly devious. Also MOST IMPORTANTLY, Robb and Catelyn hear about Bran and Rickon's "deaths" before they make their bad decisions (marrying Jeyne and releasing Jaime). This makes their decisions make more sense, in the terms of where Robb and Catelyn were emotionally instead of being plain dumb, the show made them look.

Tywin and Arya never interact. Roose Bolton ended up taking Harrenhal in Book 2 instead of 3 as in the show. I didn't mind that change though.

Dany's visions at the Houses of the Undying. I won't go into any detail though.

More emphasis on the past, with Robert's Rebellion and people talking about it.

Jaime DOESN'T kill his cousin. Such a terrible choice in the show. I don't get it. He also doesn't rape Cersei.

A lot more focus is given on Tyrion's first wife, which ends up being very important to his actions in Season 4.

I already went over the Lysa confession thing with you in the other thread

There's more to Sansa's "confession" to the Vale Lords but I won't get to that. It's also in Book 4 if I recall.

The epilogue of Book 3. DON'T LOOK IT UP. The showrunners left it out and it pisses me off.

Stannis's attack in the book is awesome, show screwed it up.

There's more I'm forgetting I'm sure.

 

Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

I was going to say that I found the casting inoffensive, but then I read PG's post.

No Arianne then? Really?

 

I actually like the Alexander Siddig and Jonathan Pryce castings, but leaving out Arianne would be terrible. The only other thing I can think of is if she's Trystane's younger sister and they haven't cast her yet.. I had a feeling they'd merge Quentyn and Trystane to cut down on time and make his death all the more tragic to House Martell, but no Arianne is just ugh

 

I suppose you find throwing food, playing in the mud, and associating with all sorts of low characters to be mature? What Arya does is the equivalent of joining a gang and doing hard drugs, today.

And did you say "talking with the Queen"? Really? Are you sure you're not the one that's being immature.

 

Yeah, in the book you get inside her head and you realize what she's thinking when she does what she does. And you realize she's the way she is because her father and mother raised her to be that way -- she's basically the ideal medieval daughter. That she doesn't conform to modern tastes is the point.

It's just that what she represents is deeply disliked by people today, so she's judged for it. Tywin also represents a medieval stereotype (cruel, power-obsessed lord) but he can get away with it because he's cool.

edit: p.s. this is why I hated the show's portrayal of her as an air-headed teen, since that's a *modern* stereotype and the books make it clear she's a well-educated noble girl.

 

That is literally the opposite of my view -- I felt she was far more graceful and mannered in the books (a key phrase of hers is "courtesy is a lady's armor"). I think you're having difficulty separating thoughts from actions: people often think unkindly, but the point is to never act it. That's why I feel like I appreciate her points of view: you can feel her making sure that above all, she's not being nasty to people.

Except her sister: but I. siblings fight and II. Arya usually starts it.

As far as Jon, we know that Sansa is closer to her mother and father -- and you know that Catelyn would make her feelings known in subtle, undermining ways "oh, he's only your half-brother" -- and Sansa, being the dutiful daughter she is, picks up on it.

Remember -- as tom said, she's eleven.

edit: Thank you Even, you are a gentleman and a scholar.... well, okay, you're a scholar at any rate.