1. I don't agree with the show dragging out the Ramsay reveal. I'm just saying the flaying actually did have a point. 2. The Brotherhood without Banners struck me as self-deluded in the books-- their "cause" is noble, but they're ruthless killers helping to drag out the war and suffering like every other faction-- and they only realized that (or Thoros did) when Stoneheart took over.