CARDS *A* SW:CCG Attack of the Clones Expansion Project (formerly Quest's)

No, not at all! I think it would be a good thing. When I said Nah, that's not a problem above, I meant that it is not a problem at all if you are associated with the PC in any way, shape or form.

Like I said, the initial PC comment was to just see if you were the same user that is on the PC forums.

 

Revised from Shewski?s suggestion-

Objective (Strong suggestion to change the name, it doesn?t fit)

0 Side-
Deploy Amidala?s Apartment, any non-docking bay Naboo battleground site, (Effect Name), and Forbidden Love.
Place top 2 cards from your Reserve Deck face up on Forbidden Love.
For remainder of game, while with Anakin, Amidala moves for free.
While this side up, once during your deploy phase, you may \/ a battleground site (max 4) to Coruscant or Naboo, or use 4 Force to \/ Amidala to Anakin?s location (vice-versa).
Flip this card if 4 or more cards on Forbidden Love.

7 Side-
Immediately swap top card on Forbidden Love with one card from hand.
While this side up, once during your control phase, opponent loses 1 Force at a site occupied by Anakin and Amidala. Anakin is power and forfeit +2. If you are about to lose Force, may lose top card on Forbidden Love to reduce X Force, where X = destiny of card lost.
Flip this card if less than 2 cards on Forbidden Love.


Note: The Effect Name can be a card that allows you to place Anakin there if he?s lost from the table. Same idea as Brisky Morning Munchen for Jar Jar.

 

We'd be happy to have anyone who would like to help make the cards better get involved. Hopefully 2ndQuest won't get burned out with all the suggested changes. Having Player Committee affiliation isn't a negative although I would think most members of the PC would not want to get involved in Dream Cards. I don't think they would want to get Decipher or Lucasfilm upset with what they are doing to try and keep the game alive (legitimately from a Virtual Card perspective).

Dream cards (especially those with images) might be considered a no no by the powers to be. The Player Committee's site states explicitly that Dream Cards are "not" permitted.

This project has been over a year in the making. It took a major hit when the website was taken down by Decipher. Having the images was certainly a motivator for us, as well as those who stopped by to see what we were up to.

R'Bolt

 

Sure. Though I'm not a direct member of the PC my ties are closely knitted. I won't jeopardize my position with them or have someone else think that I speak for them. When asked, I'll gather information or act as some other resource for their needs, but if getting involved with this project would mean I'm labeled as a member, then I'll back out now. I agree, the PC does not want to get involved in dream card making (other than the Virtual cards) as I'm sure they don't want to have contending issues with LucasFilm or Decipher.

I simply made a suggestion as the most recent concern addressed to me were with the objectives and the Epic Event.

 

Rain, I guess the bottom line is that we are happy to have to here, but if you think (or are told) that it will hurt the PC, you, or the game at large, do what you have to do!

 

Well this is_was meant to be a "fun" project. There never was (or is) any intent to subvert what Decipher did. It's just a "fan based" project to try and fill the "void" left to both players and collectors alike. Personally, I was surprised to see the copyright notification which took the site down. There are tons of fan based sites with custon action figures, custom action figure cardbacks, and the like. I'm not aware of any problems with sites that host (or hosted) that type of imagery. No profit, or official intent is_was ever the intent. WOTC doesn't appear to be upset with fan based card images. They are hosted here at theforce.net on the TCG board. I've seen them hosted on other sites as well, even with WOTC officials visiting the site on a regular basis. Decipher doesn't appear to share that viewpoint and guards it's copyrights more carefully. As a result we only post our text versions for public view. After all text based "dream cards" are at the least permitted given Decipher hosts a "Dream Card" board on it's site.

Suggestions are always welcome. We'd love to have you continue to contribute if you feel confortable doing so.

R'Bolt

 

One other thing. Posting cards in a simple text form (like your PDF) is okay I think (don't quote me on it . It would probably help if 2nd Quest sets up an order of hierarchy. I would strongly recommend maybe 4 designers with him as the head designer who makes the final decisions. These guys would work closely with him and would be the only ones approved for the design process as well as making decisions on the project. Make everyone else playtesters who can make suggestions to text changes only if something doesn't work out. That way everyone knows what their role is and you'll cut down on the confusion as to who's trying to fly the ship.

Have the designers work on a list of say 20 or 40 card increments and send those out to the testers. Playtest them out and move on to the next batch, adding to the previous ones for better interaction. And playtest in EVERY possible environment. If you want to make a really good set, it needs to be playtested extensively to work out all the bugs. There also needs to be a structure as to how the project is run.

Rain-

 

In the mean time...

?Deactivation Of The Deflector Shield

maybe change to-
?Deflector Shield Deactivation
or
?Shield Deactivation

Destiny: 3
Lore:?Do they have a code clearance?? ?It?s an older code sir, but it checks out. I was about to clear them.?
LOST INTERRUPT
Text: Once per game, may use 4 Force to
cancel an opponent?s Defensive Shield on
table. (Immune to Sense.) OR Use 2 Force to relocate your warrior to a shielded site (ignoring any shield rules).

It's important to have at least one function in the game text that can be used more than once. Otherwise the interrupt becomes rather useless.

 

Mainly before I posted about making some generic speeders and pilots, as well as giving Zam, Obi, and Ani some GT additions. I also made up some reward cards, but nothing too creative.

Also, I noticed that if you were to play the speeder chase epic event without using the effect, there are no provisions for a length of chase or what is to be done if opponent doesn't have a speeder on the table. You could basically make a line saying "May only deploy as a result of Follow That Speeder" and DS equivalents.

Here's what I posted before:

"LS/DS Generic Speeder

Destiny 4
Power 1
Maneuver 4
Landspeed 3
Deploy 2
Forfeit 4

May add 1 passenger. May lose 1 force to redraw your chase or maneuver destiny immediately after being revealed. Permanent pilot provides ability of 1. May add unique pilot, who replaces permanent pilot.

Perhaps Anakin, Obi Wan, and Zam can have a line added in their GT that makes sense to have them pilot/passenge the speeder in the chase.

Anakin: When in a Speeder Chase, adds 2 to X.
Obi: May lose 1 Force to cause opponent to redraw a just revealed chase or maneuver destiny.
Zam: When in a Speeder Chase, May draw 2 maneuver destiny and choose 1.

*Quick Getaway (Dark Side Reward)

Destiny 3
Immediate Effect

Lore:
When on the run from the law, one must either escape or die trying. For those who escape, there are often unintended benefits.

GT:
Deploy on your speeder or pilot who just won a Speeder Chase. During your Activate Phase, opponent loses 1 force (2 if deployed on Zam or Zam's Speeder)

**Apprehension (LS Reward)

Destiny 4
Effect

Lore:
As keepers of the peace, Jedi have been known to track down dangerous individuals and take them into custody.

GT:
Deploy on opponent's bounty hunter, thief, assassin, or pilot involved in a Speeder Chase. If forfeited at the same site as a Jedi you may capture that character. If at the Jedi Temple, retrieve force equal to captured character's forfeit and place them out of play, then return effect to Used Pile.

Maybe there can also be some generic speeder pilots (the characters seen shaking their fists during the chase, perhaps?)"

Ok, that being said the simple loss/retrieval function is ok, but not the best. You can either define stuff on the effect, or if you go this route of character bonuses, I think that you leave the really good stuff for the helper effects.

Fun reward ideas:

Twice per game, may lose top card of Reserve Deck to retrieve two cards into hand.

Once per battle, may use 2 Force to exchange an opponent's just drawn destiny with any of your previously drawn destinies.

During every battle your opponent must satisfy battle damage first.

Once per turn, may use 2 Force to target one of your characters. Force lost from target's location due to a Force Drain must come from Reserve, if possible.

Thrice per game, you may lose the top card of Reserve Deck. Activate Force equal to the just lost card's destiny. Your opponent may also active up to the same amount of Force.

Once during your deploy phase, may use X Force to bring a character on the table into hand, where X = deploy.

Once during your move phase, any of your cards may perform two regular moves.

During your draw phase, may use 3 Force to examine and replace your Force Pile.

 

Up!

Any thoughts on these cards?

 

Sounds neat!

 

:iscussion Post Levitation::

USED INTERRUPT

Any updates/news?

 

:ounds heart to start it up again::

Yay! Updates!

I like the revised Objective. It still has stacking, but eliminates the messiness of needing to alter how you win a game.

Forbidden Love looks better as well.

If I am not mistaken (I could be!), whenever an action happens at the end of turn, it takes place as the last thing, after recirculating your used pile. (like maitenance upkeep). The wording may need to be changed if that is the case so there is a top card of Used to stack on FL.

Is it once per turn to cancel drain AND shuffle stack and replace destiny? What happens to the replaced destiny and top stacked card. Do they both go to Used?

I still think it would be hard to control 3 Naboo sites w/ a BH/Assassin. What if it was control 3 BG sites with a BH/A or 2 Naboo sites with BH/A?

The Ani recycler is good. Shouldn't it be Immune to Alter =)

I defininitely like you sticking to the mechanics of the speeder chase- it has its own elegance. The 1 Force loss/ 1 Force Retrieval is good- it should take long enough to complete so that the game may be over before you do "Podrace" like damage & retrieval. I like how the winner is benefited on either event. The LS one's is pretty universal, since BHer and Jedi are popular characters. The DS one's is much more limited. I'd like to see something more universal (maybe on my above suggestions), or a clone of the LS GT would work as well (but not be as fun to have two different helpers).

 

But you do make a good point about the DS one being too specific still...perhaps something more vague like using force to add (up to 2) to any X value for any objective for a turn?

That might work. I'm trying to think if that will make any objective off balance, but none spring to mind. Regardless, I'm all for a more universal effect.

Maybe change this to the Reserve Deck or Force PIle instead of Used Pile?

Sounds good. I prefer Reserve Deck.

I assume the first one would be cancelled, and would go to used pile like any cancelled destiny, while the card taken from the stack will niw act as a destiny and thus be put to the used pile after it's done its thing.

Cool. Basically just like the Colo Fish Swap.

Well, my initial use of the BH/assassin clause is that we don't want a droid army to crush this objective in one turn...I'm not married to the BH/assassin restriction if someone can come up with a better way to balance the concept without opening up the objective to a slaughter-by-droids.

How would the droid army slaughter them? I'm having trouble getting my head around this one, but of course, it is a Monday. I thought it was difficult since you couldn't deploy BHers to Naboo in the first place. It's kinda like the way WHAP worked pre Secure Route (V). A pain to reinforce, and easy for opponent to set a strong character and basically hold all game.

Let's look at the three ways to lose a stacked card on FL:

1) Lose a battle you started. Perfect!

2) Lose more than 2 Force from a Naboo Drain. First off, this seems pretty hard to do without needing to use matching sabers Etc to drain. I like making it from anywhere.

3) Control 3 Naboo sites w/ BH/A. Very tough to do with the Obj they way it is now. I like needing to control sites, what about making it so the BH/A needs to control 1 on Naboo and the 2 other can come from anywhere else (with anyone controlling)?

Here's my suggestion for that bit of GT:

Place the top card here in Lost Pile if you lose a battle you initiated. Once per turn, place bottom card here in Lost Pile: if opponent controls 3 battlegrounds (1 must be a Naboo location with a bounty hunter/assassin) OR if you lose more than 2 Force from a Force drain.

 

True, but if you limit the controlling 3 BGs part to once per opponent's turn, the card's won't go flying off. I envision that you can lose cards of FL as much as you want by losing battles you start, but the otehr two conditions are limited to once per opponent's turn.

 

New ideas sound great. Have we lost Rain, and Lord Hoban, as contributors? Their input was thought provoking. Would be nice to get a consensus on the new cards before proceeding to the 2.0 playtesting files.

I'm kinda in a holding pattern until we've got firm decisions on what the new GT etc... will be. Been a "lazy" summer for me.

R'Bolt

 

I email Hoban every once in a while. He is taking a break from the CCG.

 

Just started looking at this forum, Can u tell me how this is being run? Are you playtesting on Cardtable or some such? I would like to get in on this if at all possible... at least find out when/where the files might be available.

Thanks,

Keith