A Whole New World: Episode VII Music[Score News and Speculation]

Discussion in 'Star Wars And Film Music' started by General Kenobi, Oct 30, 2012.

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  1. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I would suggest John Williams be a sort of overseer of the soundtrack or something along those lines.
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  2. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Just listened to the Super 8 score the other day, and yes, it's very Williams-y, as is appropriate for a 80s nostalgia film.
  3. dolphin Chosen One

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    My preference:

    If not John Williams then James Horner. If not James Horner, then Hans Zimmer. If not Hans Zimmer, then James Newton Howard.

    Williams
    Horner
    Zimmer
    Howard

    In that order..
  4. dolphin Chosen One

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    Since John Williams age might be an issue for the later episodes, why not have him set the stage by composing Episode 7's score like he did with the first Harry Potter movie? Subsequent composers can then borrow from his themes.
  5. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    Giacchino's Trek score sucked. He had basically two themes: a generic "Trek" theme that he hammered into every scene possible at the same basic tempo and orchestration, and that frakking erhu theme for all things Vulcan.

    If you want to see how a GOOD composer scores a film using a singular theme, but reorchestrating it for various moods, see Goldsmith's TMP score.

    Back on topic: there are a number of good composers who scored the Old Republic game that would make excellent composers for the new films.

    You can hear samples of the various scores here:



    Go to the actual YT page for the whole playlist.
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  6. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    I like Giacchino's music, but as you pointed out, @Kev Snowmane, it lacks variety. He usually has one or two good themes for a film (or show), and the rest is sort of blase filler or -- in the case of Trek -- he overdoes on that single theme.

    Because of his previous connections with Abrams and Disney (he's practically Pixar's default go-to man at this point), I would guesstimate he's the most likely candidate at this point. As @dolphin suggested, Horner, Howard and Zimmer are all very possible as well... I would even suggest Harry Gregson-Williams too (Disney's Narnia series comes to mind).
  7. Jcuk Force Ghost

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    All the soundtracks have been brilliant. But for me the Williams brilliance is epitomised in Empire when the Falcon is desperately trying to escape the Star Destroyer, Tie Fighters and the hyperdrive won't work. The music all the way up to where the Falcon does a loop de loop into the cave on the asteroid (through the asteroid field with the fighters in hot pursuit) is vintage Williams! Absolutely ****ing fantastic!!!
  8. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    My highlight from that film is Hyperspace, actually. Just sounds like they're breaking instruments because of how hard the orchestra is going :p
  9. Jcuk Force Ghost

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    What the scene on Bespin?
  10. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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  11. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    That's going to be the absolute make-it-or-break-it task for the (hypothetical) new composer -- can they make new themes as memorable as Williams'? Williams is/was a master of motifs. How many other composers are out there now who can claim to do the same?
  12. Jcuk Force Ghost

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    There are none IMO
  13. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    *Cough* Howard Shore *Cough*
  14. Jedi Gunny Yahtzee Host

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    Shore also is guilty of hammering the same few motifs into the entire film. ;)
  15. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    It's gonna be Giacchino or Williams. I would bet money on it.
  16. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    Hardly. Shore like Williams is a master of "leitmotif". Yes, themes are repeated sometimes, but in different tempos, orchestrations, etc.

    Giacchino (sp?) Is a "one theme wonder" and Trek is the perfect example of "same theme, same orchestration, same tempo" again and again and again and again.
  17. Figrin D'aniel Jedi Knight

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    I beg to differ that he is a "one theme wonder".

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Musical_themes
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  18. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    Beg if you wish, his most recent genre offering I am aware of (Trek) was as subtle as a hammer and about as varied as Mao-ist Chinese fashion..
  19. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    Giacchino had time to work on the variety for Lost, but his Pixar films tend to be like Trek -- one main theme, sometimes two counting a secondary character/villain, and that's about it.

    Even when Williams wasn't writing a "theme" per se, his music had so much variety it could be used again and again and again in the videogames and still seem original. Say for instance, the Bespin or Dagabah or even Jawa "themes" -- they're really only used once in the films, but the second you see a Jawa or travel to Bespin in a videogame, you're sure to hear that theme music playing. I just can't see Giacchino pulling that off.

    (I should note I *do* like Giacchino's music -- I don't want to sound like I'm trashing the poor guy's work. But he's just not Williams.)
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  20. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    I liked his score for "The Incredibles". He showed some range there...but his more recent work just is too repetitive and certainly isn't Star Wars.
  21. bluelantern714 Jedi Padawan

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    If Williams doesn't do it (which would not be ideal to say the least), I say Kevin Kiner. He's done excellent work on The Clone Wars, and that he hasn't done many films doesn't bother me. He's proven that he's a terrific composer who can do Williams' Star Wars justice while adding his own ideas and themes/motifs at the same time. He's also quite versatile. If not him, John Ottman. He came to Superman Returns personally recommended by Williams and did a great job, too. My third choice off the top of my head would maybe be Michael Giacchino. Not the perfect choice, but his Star Trek score was good. Howard Shore would be an interesting one as well....
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  22. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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  23. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    Williams is retired. He only did the PT as a favor for George.
  24. SnakeWesker Force Ghost

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    He just did Lincoln last year. And he has even said he wants to score the ST.
  25. Kev Snowmane Jedi Grand Master

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    That's news. Last I'd heard he was retired.
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