aaaahhhh the irony.

I always thought it was interesting (and ironic) that in ROTS Anakin tells Padme that he is more powerful than the Chancellor, he can "overthrow him"... And in ROTJ he literally does throw him OVER a railing to his death. lolol.

Another example: AOTC Obi-Wan to Anakin: "Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me." ...ANH Anakin/Vader does infact kill him lol... 'nuf said.


Anything you can think of? I love stuff like this.

 

AOTC Anakin to Padme: The thought of not being with you... I can't breathe!

 

Palpatine tells Anakin: "...it's perfectly natural-he cut off your arm, you wanted revenge."

In the same way, Luke gets "revenge" in ROTJ for his hand being cut off...

 

R2 says "BLEEP BLOOP BLEEP" when little Anakin tells him to shut off the auto-pilot on the Naboo fighter, and "BLEEP BLOOP BLEEP" when he asks Luke if he wants him (R2) to take over the X-Wing's controls on the way to Dagobah.

Uncanny!

 

Oh very ironic. And subtle to boot. Only thing missing was a band in the background playing the Imperial March dressed in Darth Vader suits.

 

If you want to go with the secondary definition-- Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs--the most blatant example would be Han's stated dread that he'd never see the Falcon again. Ironical!

Adhering to the more popular usage, though, I'd say my favorite instance of irony would be Anakin's two-and-a-half film spanning obsession with maternal comfort culminating with him being entombed within something that couldn't be more far removed from the womb. Deliciously ironical!

 

I agree... the irony here always gives me chills.

 

The PT is replete with little nods to the OT. It's not irony, it's planned.

 

Can't we have a thread to celebrate something about Star Wars without people coming in to bash?

That would actually be ironic, because it's not what we have come to expect from this forum.

 

Anakin is a rebel without a cause who seals the deal with a space hottie. Luke is a whiny hayseed who makes out with his sister.

 

Ironic things can be planned, on purpose, to be ironic.

Not sure if I'm being included there... it wasn't my intention to bash, I just thought the R2-D2 joke was funny. I actually agree about the cool in-jokes, ironies, and self-references within Star Wars.

 

I am incapable of bashing, since I love the PT only slightly less than I love the OT.

But that doesn't mean I can't have fun with/poke fun at both trilogies.

 

About as ironic as having an in-depth discussion thread which doesn't assume everything GL says is absolute truth, without you barging in repeatedly to contribute nothing more than that you just don't think he's lying.

Actually that wouldn't be ironic, it would be impossible.

 

So you'd like a thread where the notion that Lucas might not be lying is not allowed?

 

No, merely one where the notion that he could be lying/exaggerating/mistaken can be entertained & discussed in a rational, logical fashion, & where repeated hijacking with irrational, snotty, & stirring remarks, backed up with nothing more than "I don't think he's lying", isn't tolerated.

 

I think it's groovy that the Darth Plagueis chronicle cum lure encapsulates Palpatine's fate. He uses the Force to create the Empire, saves Anakin from death, and is subsequently killed in his "sleep" (practically forced into said position by Vader).

 

Exactly... this sums it up for me too.

 

Whoa! Hittin' it hard with the double-negatives!!! LOL My brain just exploded!!

 

Let's keep this on topic

 

Isn't it ironic, don'tcha think?

 

OK, Alanis.

Here's another that I just caught the other day. In TPM, when they are on Tatooine with the broken down ship and Qui-Gon has hatched his plan to have Anakin race, Obi-Wan says to Qui-Gon, "What if this plan fails, Master? We could be stuck here for a very long time." Which of course is the very same planet where Obi-Wan does later spend a very long time, stuck in a sense, in exile and hiding while watching over Luke.

 

After all the things done by Anakin (like betraying the Jedi, choking Padme, and child killing) in the hope of and cheating death and gaining a power that can only be learned "Not from a Jedi", it is then discovered that it is in fact Qui-gon Jinn that has discovered the true secret to immortality. He does this not by exerting his control or gaining more power, as Anakin has been led to think, but through compassion and non-attachment.

 

^ This is true, but the distinction here is that Qui-Gon discovered a method by which a Jedi could achieve "immortality" by becoming one with the Force while still retaining their identity. It is not true immortality because they still had to "die" as far as their physical bodies ("crude matter") go before achieving this. Either way, though, this is still a process one would do for themselves. Anakin was concerned with saving someone else from dying.

 

Sorry, I seem to of mashed up my thoughts on that one.

But now I'm thinking what you said is the trick. Anakin wanted physical immortality for Padme (and himself most likely), and used some selfish, i.e., Sith tactics to acquire it. Not realizing, as we the audience do, that Qui-Gon has discovered the true secret through compassion and non-attachment, i.e., Jedi ideals. With that true secret being not a physical immortality, but a spiritual immortality.

Every single thing Anakin did to gain the power to save Padme from dying put him even further and further away from ever attaining it, and ultimately put in motion the irreversible events that led straight to her very death! But I guess I'm cramming two ironies together in terms of Cosmic irony (disparity between human desires and the harsh realities of the outside world) and Situational irony (the result of an action is contrary to the desired or expected effect). Which apparently aren't really irony at all by some definitions!

He does eventually attain immortality though, through the help and compassion of Luke and I hear some believe Obi-Wan and Yoda might of helped on their end as well. Thinking that way, it doesn't really seem to have to be a process one does just for themselves. Though I do see what you mean as far as not being able to make someone else live forever. It really all seems to be a matter of perspective on that whole immortality bit! Much food for thought...

Regardless, how about this: Anakin declares that he will "learn to stop people from dying!", then ultimately becomes responsible, or at least complicit, in the deaths of untold millions!