Abortion Laws: Pro Life or Pro Choice(v2)?

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Master_Jedi_David, Nov 13, 2002.

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  1. Master_Jedi_David Jedi Master

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    Pro life or Pro Choice?

    Personally, im going to have to side with Pro choice; it should be the mother's choice as to if she chooses to have an abortion.
    If a woman really wanted to have an abortion, she would find a way. Nomatter if it was illegal, illogical, or sucidial. To protect the mother and the fetus, abortions should be legal and allowed.

    KK EDIT: Locked in favor of a new thread being started.
  2. Sithlord818 Jedi Knight

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    Nov 5, 2002
    I don't like abortion, though I respect the fact that it is ultimately the mother's choice.
  3. Jarik Jedi Master

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    It's just not worth entering this debate again.
  4. Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus

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    Pro-choice.

    Abortion should never be anyone's goal, but I think that the ultimate decision should rest with the mother...it's her body.

    Peace,

    V-03
  5. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Pro-Choice. It's a last resort but that freedom shouldn't be taken away.

    E_S
  6. Fire_Ice_Death Chosen One

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    Pro-choice, you take away that right you might as well call getting your tubes tied or having a vasectomy, murder.
  7. Tupolov Jedi Master

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    I think that abortion should be legal. If a girl doesn't want a baby why should she have to have one?
  8. Terr_Mys Force Ghost

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    I don't think I'm gonna debate this subject any more. There's not much point to it, especially when everyone who posted before me is pro-choice. :p

    But I would like to point out that you made the exact same spelling error that was in the title of the previous thread... :D
  9. womberty Jedi Master

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    Just to be different... ;)

    Pro-life.

    Women have a choice, and it's the same choice that men have: the choice to prevent pregnancy through abstinance or birth control. Once a new life exists, it's no longer part of the woman's body - it's a new person who deserves the protection of the law.

    I realize that not all birth control is 100% effective and that women are usually the ones who bear the burden of an unplanned pregnancy, but we should working toward more effective birth control and a fairer system of justice when it comes to parental responsibility. We should not be legalizing a practice that terminates a human life.
  10. Uruk-hai Jedi Youngling

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    I think the father should have more rights.

    That is all.
  11. FateNaberrie Jedi Grand Master

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    the ultimate decision should rest with the mother...it's her body.


    In what respect is it "her body"? One woman does not have 4 legs, 4 arms, two beating hearts...
  12. Nyder Jedi Master

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    I wonder if the Pro-life people also disagree with stem-cell research?
  13. FateNaberrie Jedi Grand Master

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    I haven't researched the subject too much, but I don't see anything wrong with it (research) provided you're using stem cells that no one (Herein I include embryos) had to die to provide.
  14. Obi-Wan McCartney Force Ghost

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    Pro-choice.

    If anyone says anything new I'll be back, but it'll probably be the same old arguments.

    A woman has a constitutional right to control her own reproductive system, to determine whether she will bear a child. That is a fact. I just want everyone to keep that in mind, right now, it's FACT.

    I also don't think an embryo is the same thing as a human life.
  15. Fire_Ice_Death Chosen One

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    We should not be legalizing a practice that terminates a human life.


    Yeah, you're right. Which is why pro-lifers will never get their way. :D
  16. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    "A system that legalizes the termination of life", eh? What, like capital punishment?

    E_S
  17. TheScarletBanner Jedi Master

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    What, like capital punishment?

    Yeah, that thing that Conservatives, a lot of whom also happen to be pro-lifers, believe in.

    Hilarious contradictions. [face_laugh]

    - Scarlet.
  18. Fire_Ice_Death Chosen One

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    Isn't it kinda funny that most of the pro-lifers you'll meet support the death penalty?
  19. Kimball_Kinnison Force Ghost

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here...

    I'm both pro-choice and pro-life.

    I am a big believer in choice. You are free to choose your actions, but you must accept the consequences of those actions. The decision to have sex is an acknowledgement that you are willing to run the risk of becoming a parent (even with birth control). They chose to have sex, so they should learn to live with the consequences.

    And, it is not as if they have to keep the baby. I have known several people who chose not to have an abortion but instead gave the baby up for adoption. There is no need to end the baby's life just because you don't want to be bothered with having a child. You made the choice to have sex, you should live with the consequences.

    For those who did not make the choice to have sex (such as cases of rape), I do believe that the Mother then has a choice as to whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption, or, in extreme cases, have an abortion.

    Kimball Kinnison
  20. DarthKarde Jedi Grand Master

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    What, like capital punishment?

    Yeah, that thing that Conservatives, a lot of whom also happen to be pro-lifers, believe in.

    Hilarious contradictions.


    There is no contradication in supporting the life of an unborn and thus innocent child and supporting capital punishment for those who have abused their freedoms to the extent that they no longer deserve the right to life. If there was a contradiction then surely anyone opposed to the death penalty cannot support abortion without being contradictory. They are two seperate issues and cannot be combined in this way.
  21. im_posessed Jedi Knight

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    I am definately pro life
    as mentioned before, an embryo is a life
    if a woman (or man) does not want to be responsible for a child, they should not have sex. there are consiquences to actions, and birth control isn't perfect
    in the case of rape, personally, i think a baby is something good that can come from a horrible experience. ther are those who disagree with that, but people whom i'veknown who have become pregnant due to rape have been so thankful...their child has helped them heal
    i stand on the fact that no person has the right to take the life of another.
  22. TeeBee Jedi Knight

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    TSB, if you consider being pro-life and pro-death penalty to be a contradiction, then you imply that abortion IS indeed killing a human being. Which many, including you I believe, have vehemently argued (in various creative ways) that it is not.

    Is THAT not in itself a contradiction?
  23. POLUNIS Jedi Knight

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    There is no contradication in supporting the life of an unborn and thus innocent child and supporting capital punishment for those who have abused their freedoms to the extent that they no longer deserve the right to life. If there was a contradiction then surely anyone opposed to the death penalty cannot support abortion without being contradictory. They are two seperate issues and cannot be combined in this way.


    That was exactly what I was going to say ;)
  24. AxtonTredway Jedi Knight

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    The "Right To Abortion" is a very tenuous right that is soleley based on Federal case law protecting "a woman's right to privacy"-not abortion...I am neither pro-life or pro-choice...I believe that each pregnancy is a separate event with its own set of circumstances. However, the whole "It's My Body" argument is not a viable legal argument as much as it is a compelling "moralizing" argument....When was the last time you saw someone selling their organs on ebay?!...One guy tried and it was determined it was illegal...."But it was his body"... Suicide in this country isn't legal either....So much for the "It's My Body" legal argument......So many people THINK they are freer in this country than they actually are...I don't get this whole denial issue over America not becoming more Orwellian by the day.
  25. im_posessed Jedi Knight

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    a quetion : when does an embryo become a human? is it at birth, and if it is, what if one baby is born at 40 weeks (the norm) and another at 26 (usually the least needed to survive)...is the younger still a human? or did the older become human at 26 weeks also?
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