Alright, near as I can tell, it's been 4 years since we've had an abortion thread, with the last being version 4 of this thread that ended in 2007, so decided to start the thread and the discussion anew. To start the ball rolling, however, I wanted to start from a bit different of a place that is fairly closely linked with the argument over abortion, and that's laws that charge someone for killing a fetus, and in particular, laws that charge the mother with killing a fetus. There was an op-ed in one of my magazines recently about this topic, and the article can be read [link=http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=fi&page=caplan_31_6]here[/link] In December of 2010, a woman named Bei Bei Shuai in Indiana tried to commit suicide via poisoning herself. Friends convinced her to go to the hospital, where she surived. She was pregnant, however, and the pregnancy failed because of the poisoning attempt. The full article is at the link above, but here's the most relevant (imo) portion: It does also cite one of the defense attorneys as saying, "Prosecutions like this are increasing in the U.S. and are a result of anti-abortion rhetoric and movements that seek to give the fetus rights above and beyond those of women." I do think cases like this have a direct relationship with how abortion is treated, and personally, think that this is a very dangerous encroachment on present abortion law by trying to treat the termination of a pregnancy as a crime on the level of murder. Thoughts?