Senate Abortion: Why not?

There's quite a community of enraged and hopelessly lost Southerners in Salzburg. They gather outside the lovely Baroque cathedral to busk for change and dream of tracking down the elitist liberal Australo/Euro-scum who mocked their people.

 

The USA is divided by not only state but by county/district when it comes to sex Ed. I learned about condoms/sexually transmitted diseases/the risks of drugs-alcohol-cigarettes at age 10. And that was in 1985. But of course I grew up in the awful liberal NYC that Cruz hates. I also never had accidental pregos or an STD.

 

The problem with this argument is that Planned Parenthood, like any business, is required by law to engage in something called 'accounting'. In other words, they have to keep track of where the money goes in a ledger. Now, for your claim to be true, several things have to happen:

1) The primary purpose of Planned Parenthood has to be to perform abortions--it isn't, so the entire premise of your argument fails on its face.

2) Federal money going to the organization actually has to be used to perform an abortion, which is currently illegal

3) The organization's leadership has to be willfully altering their records to show that none of said money is actually be used for abortions.

Evidence that any of these conditions have been met--despite a thorough investigation--has yet to surface. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that it does not exist, and that your initial claim is false.

That being said, I don't expect you to accept my reasoning. In general, I've found that it's difficult to argue with someone who has made up their mind beforehand and is unable to be open-minded enough to free themselves from the clutches of confirmation bias.

 

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/nyregion/04abortion.html?_r=0

41% of all pregnancies end in abortion in NYC, soooo...

 

So that means someone isn't paying attention in sex ed class, or has inadequate access to contraception. Also, NYC is not the country, any more than Dr. Gosnell is all abortion providers.

But nice try .

EDIT: And by the way, if abortion were to suddenly become illegal, do you really think people would just magically stop having sex? Those 41% would end up in alleys with coat hangers.

But of course, like the audience that cheered back in 2012 at the suggestion that the uninsured should be allowed to die, a back-alley abortion would probably be viewed by the same individuals as fitting punishment for those darn sluts not keeping their stoopid legz shutt!!!

 

Access, education means that people who aren't ready to have children aren't having children in one of the most crowded places on earth. Win. Win. Win.

 

Then why did he say that his situation was because of NYC? Clearly his situation was because of other factors. I'd guess either an intact family or a focus on education. Perhaps both.

 

And this is evidence that broad-based access to sex education and birth control is undesirable how???

 

I don't know. I was merely addressing vin's point that being from NYC prevented him from having an unplanned pregnancy.

 

Catching up on the last few pages has been...educational. You've all taught me alot, you bunch of degenerate ****ing paedos.


And thank goodness NY has great sex ed. Imagine the abortion rates if they did not?

 

I was speaking on my belief that the education helped me. SexEd is usually demonized. Two kids were removed from SexEd because of their Jesus loving parents. Same parents who cut out Slave Leia from their Return of the Jedi books lol. Yeah one of those two knocked a girl up in high school. Just speaking of my experiences.

 

i was an RA in bible college and i had to give all the guys i was in charge of a sex talk.

i gave them, like, an ACTUAL sex talk about how to use condoms and have safe sex and ****, and i got in a bunch of trouble for it. BUT NONE OF THE GUYS KNEW THAT ****. COLLEGE AGE MALES WHO DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD USE A CONDOM ALL THE TIME

also, this was in calfironia.

 

Oh good.... J-Rod is about to villainize single parents again.

 

I went to Catholic school in California from grades 2-12. I got sex ed in 5th Grade (we called it "Family Life") and it was very informative and comprehensive. Condoms, STDs, abortion, everything. I got a little bit more in high school but not much. But even there, when I was being taught by nuns, we were given all the information we needed and nothing was off the table. I vividly remember my teacher, Sister Peggy, talking about abortion. She didn't preach her views or the church's views and never once did she try and dissuade anyone from seeking it out if they ever needed it. Woman's body: woman's choice. Done.

 

my sixth grade teacher showed her co-ed sex ed class a slide show of a nude couple having unsimulated sexual intercourse in a variety of positions. It was a scandal that rocked the school

 

That's awesome as hell.

Where did you go to school?

 

university-affiliated school in Illinois

 

It's never a bad time.

 

J-Rod, do you have any sort of data which correlates states with no-sex ed - and for practical purposes, given its demonstrable failures, we would include abstinence-only as "no" since the end result is the same - and teen pregnancy?

 

Recently, Donald Trump said he believes that if abortion were to be made illegal, women who have one should be criminally punished somehow. Being Trump, he later took it back stating only the doctor who performed the abortion should be punished, and that the woman was a victim of the abortion.

But this isn't the election thread, so on to my point.

Many pro-lifers were outraged by his comments, saying that a woman who gets an abortion should never be punished for it. This stance sounds a bit hypocritical to me. If someone believes abortion should be outlawed because it basically equates to murder, shouldn't it follow that a woman who actively sought out an abortion be held criminally liable as well, being complicit in the doctor's "murder" of the unborn fetus?

It seems that would be the logical conclusion of the whole "abortion is murder" line of reasoning.

 

Exactly.

I personally don't like the idea of abortion that much. But I recognize that we don't live in a perfect world. And I recognize that the logical outcome of believing in
* legal personhood for zygotes, embryos, and fetuses
* abortion is murder
is punishing any woman seeking an abortion, and charging her with murder. Which just doesn't seem just or fair or humane to me.