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About rescoring the Saga

Discussion in 'Star Wars And Film Music' started by baritonep1aya, Dec 24, 2002.

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  1. Darth_Caliginous

    Darth_Caliginous Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I, for one am definitel for including the Imperial Theme in ANH. I would not, however put it right in the beginning as Vader boards the Tantive IV

    The most appropriate place for it (in my mind) would be during the Millenium Falcon's initial approach of the Death Star. ("That's no moon.... It's a space station!")

    (P.S. Thanks to General Kenobi for pointing me to the right thread!)
     
  2. General Kenobi

    General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    See, I would hope that any additions to the score would displace a minimum amount of existing score, or better yet, none.

    I love "The Death Star" and wouldn't want to see that changed.

    While the IM could possibly be worked in as Vader enters the Tantive IV, I think there are some better places for it later in the blockade runner scenes. Also, some scenes inside the Death Star, most notably as the cell door slams as Vader begins to interrogate Leia.

    Now, I would be interested to hear a completely new JW score, with the old Imperial Theme replaced by the IM throughout. However, I think that is highly unlikely.
     
  3. ChimealHeltei

    ChimealHeltei Jedi Master star 5

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    What I would like to hear is the Imp. March mixed in the original score. I found a good part, where it would fit very well musically: Just before Vader entering the Tantive IV
    Would like to hear it? [link=ftp://malastare.com/html/anh_impmarch.mp3]Here[/link] it is, my idea for including the Imp. March into ANH
     
  4. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Michi!!!!!! :D

    I agree with you completely, I tried to download the file though and got an error...

     
  5. ChimealHeltei

    ChimealHeltei Jedi Master star 5

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    Hi Timo :D

    Sorry, link was wrong. [link=http://www.malastare.com/anh_impmarch.mp3]This[/link] one's right
     
  6. ChimealHeltei

    ChimealHeltei Jedi Master star 5

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    I've done a [link=http://www.malastare.com/anh_impmarch2.mp3]second one[/link] with the Imp. March mixed into the part after Vader has entered the Tantive IV. Perhaps this is better, than to have it before Vader is entering...
     
  7. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That one I like!
     
  8. ChimealHeltei

    ChimealHeltei Jedi Master star 5

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    Speaking of Vader's theme, I often had the idea of having [link=http://www.malastare.com/rotj_ani.mp3]Ani's theme from TPM in the death scene of Anakin[/link].
    So, I now gave that a try. Though the file is long (nearly whole death scene) I just mixed in a small tidbit, just to hint it... so don't search for changes in the whole track, it's just a small piece.
     
  9. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Vader entering the Tantive IV: I did not like the first one but the second one is GREAT!

     
  10. Cerrabore

    Cerrabore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I hate to say it, but two out of those three samples are quite jarring. It sounds like you've got the Imperial March/Anakin's Theme in different keys than the music they're superimposed over.
     
  11. ChimealHeltei

    ChimealHeltei Jedi Master star 5

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    Which ones? I tried to match the keys... Perhaps it sounds scary because the orchestra isn't tuned the same way in the recordings...
    Oh, the first one sounds really not good! The second one, don't know if I hit the right key... But the third...
     
  12. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Just to confirm, I've just watched the start of the ANH DVD and there is no imperial march there.

    Is it anywhere? I guess I'll have to watch it all!
     
  13. Cerrabore

    Cerrabore Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There was no rescoring.
     
  14. pahket

    pahket Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It does sound like there was somes weetening of the musicon ROTJ, but nothing other than that.

    I'm still kinda reeling from the additions to the galactic celebration.
     
  15. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    When I watched ROTJ now, I realised how much I like the music in Yoda's death scene. It's beautiful!
     
  16. General Kenobi

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    I still think that the Emperor's Theme should be played now during the Ian hologram in ESB -- similar to how it is in "Darth Sidious" in TPM.
     
  17. Charth_Maul

    Charth_Maul Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I hope to God that there's no MAJOR rescoring of the OT if any at all...I could possibly tolerate a few added or rewritten cues in the appropriate places in order to tweak and finalize the overall flow of the saga to include the necessary themes and such from the PT. I wouldn't mind a bit of IM in ANH, but total "rescoring" shouldn't be done since its already a masterpiece. I think most would agree.
     
  18. General Kenobi

    General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, I wonder if there's any chance of rescoring for the "3D" versions.

    Perhaps there are more folks who want to hear some rescoring (new edits?) in the prequels, specifically AOTC.
     
  19. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Interesting thought. It would be cool if they rescored the entire saga for the 3D release, so that we would get one big, easy flowing soundtrack.
    Would JW have the time and energy to do that though? Is there anyone else who could do it in case he can't?



    Rescoring - it's interesting
    /LM
     
  20. The-Tennis-Ball-Kid

    The-Tennis-Ball-Kid Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It is one big flowing score, or it will be once III comes out.

    I hope that getting an original score for the big battle in II would be a much higher priority than putting the IM in IV.

    [blockquote]Is there anyone else who could do it in case he can't? [/blockquote]
    :eek: Blasphemy!! Repent! Repent! Repent!





    ttbk
     
  21. Kannigula

    Kannigula Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Nooooo pleeease why change the original score?

    I know that trilogy by heart, line-by-line, and it's the music that makes everything stick together in my brain.
     
  22. Genrader

    Genrader Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I could tolerate a rescoring of parts of ANH, but not ESB nor ROTJ.

    However, I say no Imperial march in ANH. The Imperial march is so amazing the first time we hear it in ESB.
     
  23. crouchingjedi1

    crouchingjedi1 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Two things on this subject.

    First on additions to the Anakin death scene in ROTJ:

    When Anakin takes his final breath and Luke sets him down on the ramp--

    CURRENT: Imperial march on a plucked on a single string instrument
    PROPOSED: Anakin's theme plucked on a single string instrument in the same mood / motif


    Second--I'm not a big fan of re-scoring the whole trilogy or even anything in a single OT movie, but now that we have Imperial March in Episode II and presumably III, it seems a bit odd to have it not in Episode IV.

    Imperial March Appearances?
    Episode I NO (pre-empire)
    Episode II Yes
    Episode III Yes
    Episode IV NO (??????????????????)
    Episode V Yes
    Episode VI Yes

     
  24. TheSamuraiJedi

    TheSamuraiJedi Jedi Master

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    Completely Rescore? NO

    Re-record? YES

    Add SMALL prequel musical cues? YES

    In ANH? keep the Imperial march VERY low key, if any at all, as was said before, the grand reveal in ESB with the Imperial March is a classic. The only other part I could think of is maybe a subtle refrain of Battle/Duel of the Heros from ROTS mixed in when Obi Wan is talking, such as "a young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil.." etc etc, very very subtle there would be good.

    Personally I think that a very nice and subtle hint of Across the Stars would be wonderful when Luke and Leia talk about their relation in ROTJ, particularly when Luke and Leia specifically talk about Padme "Do you remember your mother, your real mother?" "Just images really, feelings" in that part.

    Another small addition would perhaps be Anakin's theme from TPM as was said right after he dies, so instead of the plucked version of the Imperial March, have a maybe a gentle claranet or Obo version of Anakins theme, maybe even plucked.
     
  25. The-Tennis-Ball-Kid

    The-Tennis-Ball-Kid Jedi Youngling star 3

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    " Imperial March Appearances?
    Episode I NO (pre-empire)
    Episode II Yes
    Episode III Yes
    Episode IV NO (??????????????????)
    Episode V Yes
    Episode VI Yes "

    It's in I too.

    " Personally I think that a very nice and subtle hint of Across the Stars would be wonderful when Luke and Leia talk about their relation in ROTJ...

    Another small addition would perhaps be Anakin's theme from TPM as was said right after he dies... "

    I don't get it, how would these improve those moments? [hl=darkslategray]Strilo[/hl] edit: Removed possible spoilers

    I think I've beat the dead horse about TIM in ANH...

    :)

    Edit: Okay, a thought: I could see a statement of Anakin's theme working at the end of ROTJ when his Force ghost appears, juxtaposed with a choral rendition of the Force theme as the saga ends with some thematic material instead of "Victory Celebration" (which I realize I'm in the minority in not liking)

    ttbk
    *That's what it says on the back of my CD case, and I'm sticking to it. 8-}
     
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