Well, by drawing a correlation between a concentration of Catholics and a reduction in the use of birth control, it looked to me like you did. That's why I actually stated in plain English in my very first post on it that I was not blaming anyone. Why is this so hard to comprehend? It's simply a statement of fact that Catholics advocate not using birth control. Therefore, if we have more Catholics here than the Western European countries, that could explain why sex ed involving BC has more of the desired effect there than here. That's all I'm saying. I mean, the honest fight for civil rights has led to guilty people going free on technicalities, but I'm not blaming Martin Luther King, Jr. for every free murderer. Another thought on Bush's family values... since that's where this thread really began - on Bush's choice to fund only abstinence-only sex-ed. If a president campaigns largely on "family values" and Christian values, and takes stances such as "abstinence only sex-ed" which is clearly a religious and not a scientific stance, then shouldn't his family life be up for examination? As I said to Bubba, if Clinton passed laws against adultery, I'd have his head on a platter, and so would most Americans. So, in that vein, are Bush's daughters both virgins, or do they practice birth control? If it's the latter, why should America's non-Bush youth be prevented from learning about what Bush's daughters know? And did W. never use birth control before he was married? Was he a virgin all that time, abstaining? Doubtful, given the lifestyle he's admitted to during his "youthful indiscretions" which lasted until he was 37. So, then, onto the first defense against this argument... If W wants to save students from the sort of sex and drug abuse mistakes he made, mustn't we examine why he apparently couldn't save his own daughters from it? While we don't know for sure that his daughters are sexually active, we DO know they both drink, have reportedly gotten quite bombed in public, and possess ILLEGAL fake ID's to facilitate doing so. Just FYI, I have no interest in taking his family's privacy apart. This is just a point I'm making: he's opened the door for this sort of thing by doing his best to deny REAL sexual education to our youth, and by instituting punishments for drug use that don't even fit the crime.