Acting expectations for Revenge of the Sith.

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by tuskenkiller, Aug 3, 2004.

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  1. BabaORileyFett Jedi Master

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    If it wasn't for that hack Jonathan Hales, the AOTC script would have been SO much better

    Why do some fans keep blaming Hales for any problems they might have with the AOTC script? From my understanding, Lucas wrote the majority of the script himself (isn't it obvious, too? the way most of the dialogue is worded reeks Lucasian), while Hales was on set writing impromptu dialogue whenever Lucas wasn't happy with something he wrote (e.g. the dinner scene dialogue - source: AOTC Mythmaking book).

    Not to mention, Lucas had the final say on any dialogue that made it into the film.

  2. DarthNomis Jedi Grand Master

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    With luck it will be as good as the acting in LOTR films.

    For the love of the force, I hope NOT!!!!!

    You want them to act like barefooted midgets who hug each other after every 5 minutes in the movie and drag out the "dramactic" scenes for all eternity????

    EGADS! :eek:
  3. SatoriUuObo Jedi Padawan

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    Lucas views acting and actors as a necessary evil. If he were to make anymore starwars films they would all be CGI.
  4. Jedihillis Jedi Master

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    Arg. This is a tough subject for me. I really hope that the acting in ROTS is better then the last 2. I really did think there were perfomances in AOTC that were great. Epsecially Haydens' confession of killing the Tuskan raiders to Padme. I like the mom dying scean as well. But, there are some lines where i just couldn't understand what the heck they were thinking when they said their lines. (ie. "where you going?" -To find my mother.") uggggg. But, i know they're all capable actors, they just need more than 1 or 2 takes to get it down right. If Lucas has allowed them that, I think they'll step up to the plate. I do believe this one has the most potential for highly dramatic acting. We'll see how it goes.
  5. tuskenkiller Jedi Youngling

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    yeah i know what you mean everytime i watch a webdocc lucs is always like great that was great next scene. Is he afraid to go up to them and tell them what to do.

    carrie fisher said the only thing george aid when he was directing as faster or more intense.
  6. Buddha Fett Chosen One

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    "From the pictures on hyperspace it looks like hayden is giveing some awesome darth vader looks and to me it seems he's gonna pull through." -tuskenkiller

    You can determine his ability to translate the script to a screen performance from just a photo?? [face_hypnotized]
    You should be a casting director!

    And it's Star Wars. Don't expect miracles, just expect to be entertained for a couple hours. It's good enough.
  7. tuskenkiller Jedi Youngling

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    You can determine his ability to translate the script to a screen performance from just a photo??
    You should be a casting director!



    well its just a guess

    and by the way its the only thing i have to go by.
  8. mbb Jedi Knight

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    I believe ATOC was the worst of all the Star Wars movies so far. Why? Because the script was lousy and GL is much better at production than direction, IMHO.

    ATOC was dissappointing because it was billed as love story between Anakin and Padme, but what we mostly got was action. It was telling that the final 45(?) minutes of ATOC was pure action. On the DVD I learnt that most of the scenes cut were scenes involving Anakin and Padme and their growing relationship. To me, it shows GL is more concerned about effects and visuals than the story itself.

    The only consolation I have is that ATOC seems to get better the more I watch it and I am fairly sure that it will fall into place with ROTS.

    GL has very talented actors for ROTS who are all capable of delivering outstanding performances if he has allowed them to.
  9. J_Kode Jedi Knight

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    great performance from ian
    better performance from hayden than aotc
    ewan will rock
    natalie...not sure
    samuel l....been kinda dry in the first 2, hopefully more emotion here
  10. Hades2021 Jedi Master

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    The only time I cringe in AOTC is the part where Ani and Obi are meeting with the jedi council. It's just the dialogue is horrible and it makes people not want to pay attention.

    "As the leader of the opposition, it will be very difficult to get her to leave the capital."

    That's off, but come on. These lines are so pointless.

    Other than that I love AOTC. It's like... my 2nd favorite movie or something.
  11. zippypop Jedi Knight

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    It's not the acting that makes Star Wars great it's the story. The acting in my opinion is emotionless and boring but the story is awesome. I think all of the actors have been great in every other film they have been in other than Star Wars. I believe the lack of "acting" has to do with blue screen and CG.
  12. The_Mole Jedi Knight

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    I remember people laughing in the theater during AOTC, mainly due the dialogue between Anakin and Padme.

    Primarily when Anakin said "It's rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.", about beach sand.

    Even though I found it a bit corny myself...because I am such a hugh Star Wars fan, I stood up and screamed "Shut up!", as loud as I could and tried to force choke all of those who were laughing to death. People were wondering why my thumb and forefinger were U formation, squeezing, as security escorted me out of the theater.

  13. WaunTaun Jedi Knight

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    I thought Hayden Christensen and the rest of the cast did the best they could with the dialogue given in AOTC. I think it's mainly Lucas' fault. Some of his writing is absolutely genius and some is absolute crap.

    Personally, I hope we don't hear "M'Lady," or "Master Jedi" before and after every line. I know they are all supposed to be proper, well-mannered talkers, but they come across as stiff and boring.

    I also hope Ewan McGregor acts more like Alec Guiness and less like Roger Moore as James Bond. He pulls off the Guinness impression in AOTC pretty well, but some times he seems more like Roger Moore. I don't know...call me crazy.

    I would be stoked if the acting came out as good as the first LOTR film. Yeah, there is some sappy scenes between Frodo and Sam, but atleast they are acting human in desperate situations. The rest of the acting in those movies is flawless.

    Basically, we all need to hope that Lucas took more time with the critical scenes instead of saying, "Cut!...Perfect!" after a mediocre take just so he could go make sure that the digital background was going to work.
  14. dehrian Manager Emeritus

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    If I want great acting, I'll go watch Ordinary People. I go to SW movies for the action, the duels, the effects and the music. I'll be honest, I don't care a bit about how bad the acting in the movies may be. It's never been great, never will be great, and that's fine by me.

    This is popular entertainment. Expecting a performance worth of To Kill a Mockinbird is like reading a Robert Ludlum book and complaining that it wasn't Pulitzer-worthy. Of course it isn't, and it's not trying to be. Stop expecting something from the product that it's not even trying to give you to begin with.
  15. Darth_Skycrawler Jedi Master

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    I predict a "Best Male Supporting" Oscar for Yoda!

  16. mbb Jedi Knight

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    Dehrian I don't agree with you. Why shouldn't you expect great acting in a SW Movie? For me, TPM was a good movie, but ATOC was below par as far as script and acting is concerned.

    I just get the feeling Lucas is letting himself down with an over indulgence in special effects. A little more focus on characterisation would go a long way in making the PT truely great.

    If you want a good example of script and acting over special effects try Blakes 7.

    I am sure that if the talent GL has brought on board are given a decent script they will perform very well and deliver good performances.


  17. r8hitman Force Ghost

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    (I was going to post this in the other actors thread but this has nothing to do with Ian)

    I think the acting in this movie would have been a lot better if they could have kept Terence Stamp, he would have brought a lot more acting credibility to this than what we have right now. Especially if he (Valorum) had been the one who started the rebellion.

    But anyway these movies are going to do for the three main stars exactly what the OT did for it's main three- give two of them a somewhat decent name and elevate one all the way to the top.

    Hayden= Mark Hamill :(

    Natalie= Carrie Fisher :(

    Ewan= Harrison Ford :D
  18. heels1785 Jedi Draft and Streak for Colors Commissioner

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    Dehrian, I couldn't agree more.

    Here's my take--
    Ewan is by far the best actor to appear in the five movies done so far. I also think Christopher Lee did an excellent job, and Hayden did better than I expected going into Episode II...


    But of course, my favorite's gonna be Natalie.
  19. r8hitman Force Ghost

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    I dont even rate Chris Lee because he already established himself a long time ago, he's probably just doing this to pass the time.
  20. MR_bungler Jedi Knight

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    ok, I love the prequels. Just start off with that...


    BUT..... I believe there are 2 main reasons why the OT have better acting and a better story, AND MUCH LESS CRINGE MOMENTS, which the PT is infested with.

    1, GL can't direct. From soley a cinematic viewpoint, GL can't diret a movie out of a paper bag. The only thing that saved the OT was the editing team in ANH, and Kershner and Marquand in 5 & 6. Yes, GL had an unbeleivably tight control in the OT, but nuthing like the control he has with the blue/green screen soundstage with ILM. Part of a director's job is to help the actors better understand the scene they are shooting, which helps them get motivated for each scene, and intern, creates and effective scene. Kershner was great at this, letting H.Ford pick his own lines for the "I love You" scene. All GL knows to do is to say, "Faster, More intense!" and then "Cut". These PT actors, all with an impressive background in previous movies, look jilted, confused and even novice-like soley because of the direction.

    2, Harrison Ford as Han Solo. Bottom Line, he made the OT beleivable. He was the character that made us buy what we were watching with his sarcasm and cinicism. He also fought GL tooth and nail through each OT film about the writing. He helped create a more human character, helping each awkward line, often with just a look, or a smirk, i.e.: the "Hold me" line in ROTJ works, because of the look Ford gives right after. But not only Harrison's acting ability helped, but his defiance to GL also. Today, GL is surrounded only by "yes" men in the PT. There is no one there to tell him, "Dude, that line sux" or "Umm... no offense GL, but that plot point really doesn't work". Guess what people. As much as I love the SW trilogy and everything that has come about from it, I still don't beleive GL is a genius. I'm not saying he's bad, no no no, Just not perfect. And these are his mistakes.


    Give GL directoral control in a blue screen room and no Harrison ford and this is what you'll get. Now, If you'll excuse me,. I'm gunna go watch some pod racing.

    Heck, I may have some problems with it, but I still love the PT...


  21. MR_bungler Jedi Knight

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    Oh,


    actually it IS the acting, the story is carried by and portrayed through the actors involved. There is no story without the actors. If we didn't need actors, then why is GL even bothering with them then? Just make a "Spirits Within" CG movie and forget about it. we all know how "great" that flick was... ick
  22. overmydeadbody Jedi Master

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    Woah! Thread drag-up time. I am interested in knowing what people are expecting in the acting department for ROTS. Personally, I expect Natalie to be pretty much the same as she has been for two movies. I....dislike her performance in AOTC (but her hotness overwhelms it fortunately), but this wasn't entirely her fault. The scenes with Anakin and Padme could have been written better. But for me the chemistry wasn't there. They could have been any two actors who had only just met each other and had no connection.

    Hayden, on the other hand, I expect great things from. He even admits he didn't know what he was doing half the time in AOTC (it might have helped if George had actually directed the actors instead of just saying 'do it' and 'faster', 'more intense' or whatever). He totally knows his character this time around. And he has way more experience. He is great in Shattered Glass. Of course, ROTS is a little different to Shattered Glass but he proved he's got it in that movie.

    Ewan seems to be going for the Alec Guiness impression even more this time around. If anything, I hope his voice sounds a little more natural than it did in AOTC. Lines like 'good call my young padawan' were delivered with cringe-making cheesiness. Ewan is a fantastic actor, but has used about 20% of his skills in the PT (this isn't including the saber work, which he is a master at). With the need for high emotion in ROTS he should shine.

    One thing I'm thoroughly excited about is the size of Ian McDiarmid's role in ROTS. He is an extremely versatile actor, and I'm sure he's been dying to play the evil Emperor once again. This really could be his movie. He is so memorable in ROTJ, I hope this comes through to ROTS. And maybe he's been practicing saber moves for years. Obviously most will be done with a stunt guy or CG but it will be all the more impressive if we see him doing some also. What will be interesting is how he plays the lead up to the reveal. How he pulls Anakin in but doesn't give too much away.
  23. lysis Jedi Master

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    Every Star Wars movie has great, if not quality acting. However, this is usually comming from a supporting actor.
    ANH: Alec Guinness
    ESB: mostly everyone save the "two fighters against a star destroyer" guy, and a few of the rogue squadron pilots. Camp is good though.
    ROTJ: wicket the ewok...need I say more? In all seriousness, the stuff from Mark and Harrison was, while a bit campy at times, quality acting.
    TPM: Liam Neeson --great actor
    AOTC: uh....Shimi? I am really reaching here. Honostly, most of the memmorable lines in this movie come from CG characters. Admittadly, Hayden's preformance with the Tuskan slaughter is, while not the amazing oscar prefomance some people are making it out to be, a shining moment in an other wise lackluster movie actingwise. It is not that any acting is, perse bad --but there are simply not enough great acting moments to hold up the rest. On the other hand, there is some great stuff on the part of the CG actors. Yodas "begun, the clone wars have..." ranks up there with the "Lord Vader...RISE" line which will inevitably be the tag line for ROTS. Interesting...both lines were focal points in each films respected trailers. Dex was also a wonderfull charecter, and his scene with Ewan (who I think, has a much larger acting ability than is bieng shown here) is one of my favorites in the film.
    ROTS: ???
    We have the "RISE" line, which I am sure will be a hit, but can we expect anything els? I sure hope so. The franchise could benifit from some great preformances, as this, the alledged "darkest" of star wars cinima, needs it the most.
    I am sure some people will disagree, but this is just my oppinion.
  24. Captain_Solo15 Jedi Knight

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    The acting in the OT isn't oscar material, but neither is
    it in most action films. However the charisma of the actors involved and chemistry between them is such that it becomes far superior.

    TPM to me had fine acting by everyone involved.

    AOTC had some great performances:
    Ian(though not much there to really judge) was great and believable.
    Ewan was probably the best out of everyone as far as believability and charisma. He definitely held your attention in all his scenes.
    Hayden was weak in most of his scenes and didn't have the stage presence or charisma for such a big role. However, his Tusken confession scene I thought was particularly good, so at least you know he has the talent and potential.
    Portman was bad or mediocre in all her scenes. I thought her weak delivery and lack of presence really handicapped Hayden in the love scenes.

    Af far a ROTS: I have great hopes especially hearing that George hired an acting coach to specifically work with Hayden and Portman.

    Ian I think is going to blow us all away. He's a classically trained british actor with great talent and skill, but this time he's got a substantial enough role to show it all off.

    Ewan I believe is going to be the star of this one. He's already one of the best actors working today and the amount of charisma and talent he has already brought to this character is going to be enhanced by a story that sounds like it's going to have a range of emotions to showcase all of his talent.

    Hayden I have high hopes for. I worry though that the role maybe too much for him. If he is weak or still lacks the skills to pull off a full out monster as Anakin to Vader will require then the movie fails. It's all riding on him.

    Portman I believe has had her role diminished because of lackluster performances in AOTC, which Im fine with. She has been the weakest link in PT and hope the acting lessons will help her take it seriously.
  25. Darkfalz Jedi Knight

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    I don't care about the "looks" Hayden gives, he unravels his work when he opens his mouth. He is just a poor actor. His characters have no realistic transition from one mood to another. It's like he says "Okay, George said I'm going to be angry in this scene, so I'll put on my angry face. Now I'm meant to be vulnerable, so I'll do that." There's no keeping with a sense of character, it's an actor going through the motions.
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