Actions committed [and supported] by members of the Administration and Advisory Council.

Let me start by saying that there are a few people who are acting very immature about recent events and issues.

Yeah sure we argue different sides in Comms, but we all post at this same board, and there is no need for some of the childish behaviour being exhibited by a few persons, some of whom are Moderators and Adivisory Council members on the Jedi Council.

The one compliment I have to drop on the mods [well, most of them] is that while there are a few bias calls made, level heads are always kept, and ridiculous and childish behavior is never a part of these Communications debates, or outside of these forums. I can't say the same for some of the AC, and a few moderators on this site, however, which leads me to question the character of a few of its members.

We don't punish off-site behavior here, but it's been proven many times that we do. If the AC is held to a higher standard, then I don't see how the actions of certain parties on the AC are within reason. Off topic posting (Zero tolerence?), flaming, baiting (after warnings), and childish off site behaviour directed at members of this very board are not what I expect to see, and want to see from the Advisory Council, a group who is supposed to help the Moderating team make level-headed and fair to ALL policy decisions, about members which they attack, and attempt to hurt.

I'm not trying to hide what I'm talking about, but I will not toss all of the facts out here on this public board, but even certain members of the Administraion have bragged about banning certain members off Off-Site boards, to friends, in a definetly non-joking manner - which was made even more disappointing when this moderator was congradulated by fellow posters and AC members alike.

I would appreciate if the moral character, moderating ability, and advising ability of a few Moderators and AC members was looked into further, I think a few of you will be very surprised at how ridiculous and chilish a few of these "esteemed" members, who I remind you again are held to a "higher standard" than us "drama monkeys" and "trolls" have been acting as of late.

I'm not defending anyone in particular, and I know a few of these bannings have been legitimate, so this isn't about one user's banning, or even two. This is about the uncalled for, immature, inappropriate, and inexcusable behaviour being exhibited by members of the Administraion and Advisory Council.

-Xie.

EDIT: Go ahead, talk about me on your private forums, where you feel like you have very large e-gonads. I don't care, this isn't a flame, this isn't an e-war, this isn't useless drama. This is to better the JC, a place I try to enjoy visiting.

 

So basically, what actual actions would you like to see taken?

"Looked into further" isn't much of a solution, I'm afraid.

 

Overall, I agree with your statements. However, I don't know any details, so I might not agree with those. Is there any way you can share more information without spilling all the details?

It sounds like you're bitter about something. Maybe you have reason; maybe you don't. I don't know.

But I do hope that all mods act responsibly and keep JC business at the JC and not gossip about it elsewhere.

 

I would think it's hard to take action whilst being so cryptic.

Name some names.

 

Personally, I don't feel the actions exhibited by these parties entitle them to moderate these forums, or advise the moderators of these forums.

I have proof of some of what I have said, hard proof. Some is private, but obvious if you care to look.

EDIT2: Removed.

 

Jeffro, get the hell out of my thread. Now. Do not spam this up, no matter how big it makes your afformentioned e-gonads feel.

He has as much right to be in this thread as anyone else. If you don?t want people responding to your thread in ways that you dislike that don?t violate any rules, lock your thread or ask a moderator to do it.

 

My oh my....

To be honest, I really think you're asking a lot... your average user (and some of us who do play with the minor 'dramas') on JCF understand that in the real world, colours and $4.50 will buy you a white chocolate mocha at Tully's. To say that the Mods and AC need to be held to a 'higher standard' is saying that there is some real 'power' in the position...* If I have an issue I can't resolve with another member/Mod I take it to someone else... if a member/AC/Mod is 'too out of control' and enough people are bothered by this fact, I'm sure they can be 'properly delt with' by either being 'demoted' or 'asked' to leave... drama is what the user makes of it...

Edit

Yes I understand that Mods DO have power in the sense of the JCF, but the impression I get from your post is that they need to put their SW fandom/human nature aside when they post... God forbid if Sape or any others suddenly became deities... would it be a crime to say Sape's a hottie? Or what about retired folks like RMCOY... a SUPER hottie!! When do Mods/AC/Regualar posters get to just be fans as well?

 

I have proof of some of what I have said, hard proof. Some is private, but obvious if you care to look.

---

I have proof that we never landed on the moon. Some is private, some is obvious if you look for it.[hr]

Does anyone else see the illogic herein?

You NEED [u]FIRM[/u] proof of something; you cannot just make accusations.

In other words, PPOR.


?Eaglet

Note: I have nothing against you, [b]xie[/b], or anyone else. But these type of threads really get on my nerves. You cannot make cryptic comments and then demand that something be done about it.

 

Have you considered the possibility that some respectable (these are just hypothetical, not anyone in particular)members might applaud the actions of the very people you are displeased with?

In short, might it be your perspective and/or bias that is causing you to make these statements?

Unfortunately, so much of what you've said is vauge in nature, and it's hard to take any action (or even form solid opinions) as a result.

 

Jeffro, get the hell out of my thread. Now. Unless you want to contribute to the issue at hand

Besides that being disrespectful and possibly a flame, he did contribute by asking for more details which is actually pretty valid, as your original post was extremely cryptic. We, need some details, some names, some meat before anyone can pass any judgement. If your questioning the appointing of some members to the AC or MS, it would be good to have some names and why, specifically, you question them as a good ACer or Mod. And the term, e-war, is just kind of sad.

Edit// so, yeah, basically what everyone else said

 

I would not mind at all discussing these issues more specifically at length with members of the administration (and by administration, I mean those with Administrator next to their name).

I don't feel it would be proper for me to post names out the open, but I will summarize a few things.

1) A moderator has publically boasted about banning a specific JC member [who everyone involved mutually expressed strong dislike for, including the moderator involved], and alluded to banning other members he doesn't like, and being proud of those as well. He was then congratulated by other people, at least one of whom is a member of the AC.

2) An Advisory Council member and I were both warned in the Mod Squad update to stop bringing up personal feuds, and to stop flaming. Zero Tolerance, remember? I stopped, he did not. No action was taken, after the mods were told he was continuing, and he continued to bait and flame members.

3) An Advisory Council member [or members] (conspiring with some AC members and some non-ac members) "broke" (I use the term loosely, as it was more of an inside job) into a private forum and stole private threads with the intents and purposes of either blackmailing members of this afformentioned board, or releasing these messages to the public, in an attempt to turn opinion against them, humiliate them, and hurt them.

4) An Advisory Council member (with or without consultation of other JCers, Mods, and ACers) has released this information, to the public, purely with intent to hurt members of this off-JC board, with specific malice directed at EmpressPalpatine.

EDIT: Whoever said it, there is much precedent for Mods, Staff Members, and AC members to be held at a higher standard.

See: The Gatherer, Carter-TFN, LordMaullyMaul, etc etc.

 

Pardon all my questions, xie:

Out of curiosity, how did you obtain the information you're using? Some of it is obviously based on observation, of course.

Just looking to gather as much info/background as possible.

 

Well a lot of it is public, sadly KW, which makes it all the more childish and hurtful.

As to the "break in"? I was there when it happened, and the parties responsible do not deny guilt (by this I mean are proud of it), and have pretty much all admitted it and sold each other out.

 

Yes I understand that Mods DO have power in the sense of the JCF, but the impression I get from your post is that they need to put their SW fandom/human nature aside when they post... God forbid if Sape or any others suddenly became deities... would it be a crime to say Sape's a hottie? Or what about retired folks like RMCOY... a SUPER hottie!! When do Mods/AC/Regualar posters get to just be fans as well?

*applauding my West Coast half*

Exactly.

The mods and AC members started out here as fans just like the rest of us, and got to be in their positions because someone on the Mod Squad thought they would be good at it and would fairly enforce the TOS.

I have had a few issues--a friend of mine being banned for "excessively asking for proof", while another poster threatened to shoot her and only received a warning--however, what you need to do if you've got a problem with the actions of a particular mod or AC member is to PM that person. Your post is pretty vague, xie, and maybe those of us who aren't involved aren't supposed to know what you're talking about--but it does make it hard for anyone to respond to you.

And by the way--Gandolf already addressed this with you, but I have to say something--if you don't want a wide variety of responses, why the hell are you posting this on a public forum? If you only want responses from particular people, you should PM those people.

 

No no, the whole forum needs to know about this, but there is the whole "posting private stuff in public" rule - and I bet I would have been in trouble if I just went around screaming names.

I'm trying to tell you the facts without giving names, as names create bias, and I don't want to embarass anybody.

KW: I believe you have AIM, and so do I, if you wish.

 

Yeah, you would be in trouble--I've gotten in trouble for doing that off-site before. My point is that I, for example, don't know what you're talking about exactly so I'm not sure how (or if--given that my blue colors don't have any punch behind them ) I can help. Some moderators may be in the same position.

As far as mods and AC members being held to a higher standard--I can't speak for them, but I do know that city reps are expected to, quoting almost verbatim from our Code of Conduct, "follow the TOS to the letter." If we screw up, our bannings are longer than yours. I can tell you that from experience--first bannings are usually 24 hours; because of my colors, my one and only banning was 48 hours.

I'm fairly sure that mods and AC members would have a similar Code of Conduct based on their status.

 

I'd suggest you talk to the admins privately so at least someone will know what you're talking about, and then perhaps after that the admins can deliberate on what's going on.

As it is now, this thread can't really accomplish much, except for a long string of "well, if it's true, yeah it's bad" posts, which pretty much goes without saying.

But without 'proof' or links to these public actions, I honestly don't see this thread doing anything but smoldering and attracting problems.

Talking privately with the admins would be the way to go. If they agree with you that something needs to be done, then the general membership can get involved. But as of now, nothing's substantiated here, so it's somewhat pointless for the general populace to be involved.

Vertical

 

I'm closing this for now, as I'll be gathering information (and also because this pertains more to the administrators than anything else).

As with the Update thread, it'll be a temporary closing.

 

As to the "break in"? I was there when it happened, and the parties responsible do not deny guilt (by this I mean are proud of it), and have pretty much all admitted it and sold each other out.

Spare me the "innocent xie" routine. Why don't you explain to them what actually happened, and you might find out what the rest of us already knew - no one cares. Perhaps I should explain it.

Pull up a chair and I'll tell you a tell of Star Wars nerds and some kind of ridiculous e-revolution. Back about 6 months ago several of current and former members of the AC were members of a spin-off board called the Dantooine Base, owned by Empress Palpatine -- of which xie is now a member (and erstwhile spokesman). I joined because there were a few JC members that I wanted to get to know in a more personal, freer setting. That I was able to do and we were able to invite several new people that we had come to respect at the JC. Well, Empress Palpatine and some of the older members felt that the "Base" had become too cozy with the administration of the JC rather than being the harasser they had intended it to be, so they created a huge thread here in an attempt to discredit myself, Darth_AYABABTU and all of the other AC members that were also "Base" members. Their ploy worked, as we immediately left the Base, though they seemed to be disappointed that we did not resign from the AC.

From that point on we were regularly threatened by the administration of the "Base" with the release of private threads that might appear in some peoples' eyes to cast a bad light on those of us on the AC and in the administration. About two months ago I availed myself of the opportunity to log into the "Base" with the account of a friend and copied all of those threads to 1) see exactly what was in them and 2) garner an insurance policy against those threads being released, since the content was much more damaging to those still at the "Base" than those that they were threatening. They were never intended to be released, they were simply for piece-of-mind.

Last night, obhavekenobi's account at both here and at my own private board was hacked and PM's were sent out by his JC account containing pornography. At the same time 20 members of my forum were inexplicably banned and a private thread containing possibly hurtful opinions toward a member of the JC appeared on the personal webhost of Empress Palpatine. I, in retaliation (which I don't necessarily feel was the right thing to do) posted a link to the private threads that I had held in confidence until last night.

There you go, the abridged - yet still longwinded - story from the point that actually matters. Have we behaved well on either side? I'd say no. Does this have anything to do with the JC? No.

So, were I perusing this forum looking for something interesting to read and I came upon this post I think my response would be simple -- tl, dr.


P.S. I would like to add that I have many friends at the "Base" still and there are several good people still members there, however the membership as a whole has been much more welcoming of serial trolls recently.