Advisory Council Update || as of October 3rd, 2002

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|Advisory Council Update As Of Oct. 2, 2002|
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Here's a brief run-down of what we'll discuss:


I. Out with the old, in with the new

• Some changes in the AC...

II. Bettering YJCC

• Discussion of new JCC policies

• Moderator participation

• New JCC games

• Stuff on some social threads

III. Line-by-line threads

• Limitations on X_by_X threads?

IV. Invitation of former mods to the AC?

• Potential openings for ex-mods?

• If this happens, what limitations should there be?

V. Point of Discussion

• Your input on ex-mods contributing to the AC

I. Out with the old, in with the new

As of September 29th, the Advisory Council's second term has ended, and has welcomed not five, but eight new faces to the rotation:

Dan
Jedi Greg Maddux
Katya_Jade
Qui_Gon_Jim23
ReaperFett
UK Sullustian
Valiowk
YodaJeff

The new members went right down to business, upping some old threads, and giving their thoughts on proposed YJCC policy.

With the addition of the eight new members, we must bid farewell to Cigam Retah, Darth_AYBABTU, Genghis12, Humble Extra, and Jeff 42. They will be missed.

II. Bettering YJCC

jedi-mind-trick has presented to us her proposals for changing YJCC - both to control its problems yet increase its "fun" level. The finished product can be found here, but here is a list of what we discussed before the plan went to print:

• When moderators lock threads, YodaJeff proposed that an explanation of the locking should be made prior to the actual locking.
  
  "When locking a thread, it is absolutely necessary for a mod to post the reason for the lock in the thread, not only for the users to learn from, but also the other mods."
  
  I'd like to see this happen for every locked thread in every forum. If the mod has a last reply explaining why it is getting locked, a simple "See last reply" would work.

• YodaJeff has also suggested that the moderators be more active and participate in the forums in which they specialise in - which he illustrates below.
  
  Mod participation is a big thing, in my opinion. Sometimes, it seems like the mods are only there to lock threads and ban people. This shouldn't happen. Mods in all forums need to at least participate in that forum daily, and not just in the threads of the little groups that they belong to. They need to post their thoughts in various threads, on various topics. Even if they don't have a strong opinion, they should at least try to say something once and a while.

• Jedi Greg Maddux has convinced jedi-mind-trick (rather easily, mind you ) that he's willing to help organize games in YJCC.
  
  We haven't completely decided on which games will be run for sure, but we did settle on "Who

 

What, no self-referential humor or mockery or Shakespearean misquote? What kind of update is this?!

Sure, ex-mods should be allowed on the AC, if it's believed that they'll be helpful. I mean, don't go around appointing people JUST 'cause they're ex-mods.




Rick McCallum loves you!

 

Wow, way to spit that out so quickly. Looks like good stuff.

 

Self-referential humor - check

*makes note in logbook*

 

By reading my own quote, I have just realised that I am semi-literate.

I knew I should have chosen the "Punctuation and Grammar" lesson over playing truant and watching Gremlins.

UKS

 

If I may suggest something?

You may want to include the names and links to the AC members with every update, that way there's never any question of who's who for anyone.

 

I like the idea. But you should make sure you get active ones, and other than DLM, I can't get an active exmod spring to mind.

EDIT: I forgot Neck & Mars

¤Night

 

Chyren



Good update. I'm a new person thanks to you




Wait... is that a good thing?




...and a Jango

 

Great suggestion, farraday, thanks.

 

Nice job!

 

Uhhh, farraday is also an exmod.

Can someone explain to me why ex-mods need their own seperate positions, rather than being considered for regular AC positions?

But their viewpoint would definitely be worth hearing.

Unfortunately, other than farraday, you dont see many ex-mods regularly taking part in Comms discussions, so why would we think that they want to get involved in this stuff?

 

D'oh. My own point seems shot to hell.

¤Night

 

On the Ex-Mod idea, I think only ex-mods who resigned, and not the ones who were relieved of their modship should be able to be on the council.

 

I think that was what most of us had in mind, but thanks for clarifying.

And I think separate mod positions are needed because the ex-mods can provide insight that regular ACers can't... after all, they've been on both sides of the "fence".

GO 'CLONES!

 

Greg, that doesnt explain why seperate positions are required...just that their presence is needed.

But why cant they be regular ACers instead of having their own seperate AC positions? Perhaps have one per rotation so that they are treated no differently than regular members with respect to their presence there.

 

I don't think they would have separate positions; they would all be ACers. Simply put, there would be, like with short and long term members, slots for ex-mods so you don't make the AC a ModSquad Retirement Community. Follow? It's there to limit their presence, keep things in the hands of the true regular users.

No person who's been a mod is close to regular.

 

Yes LB, but with a healthy diet of prunes we may one day make it.

 

Ex-mods are way too disgruntled to be of any use.

 

Well, 3 NEW slots (as said in the first post) indicates that they dont count as regular rotating ACers.

Given the low numbers of ex-mods floating around (how many stay around here, let alone stay active in the politics of the boards), perhaps putting 3 in would somewhat limit the ability to rotate them every few months.

They would then be a little more like the permanent ACers, maybe getting rotated out after 3 months, then back in at the next rotation...which I am sure is not what you intend.

Perhaps, as I said earlier, open up one ex-mod slot per rotation. That way there is always a fresh ex-mod to be brought in.
That way also, those ex-mods wont have so much influence in there. Still a voice of reason, but not so strong so as to act as a bloc. An individual talking is often easier to deal with than a group standing together.

 

Thats a lie and a damn lie Griff! I was never gruntled.

The pool of active ex-mods is rather thin, considering the stated reason for leaving usually has to do with needing to spend more time offline.

On the other hand if you had one or two in there who didn't ahve to vote but could give that perspective, you may find a few willing to help out.

after all I think most ex-mods don't leave because they love the JC less, but because thier national hygine laws we're being abused.

Okay maybe thats an overstatement.

 

That's exactly how I was seeing it , farraday. I'd like to have the former mods in an advisory role, to give a position that might be different from the ModSquad, but with the added perspective of having been in the ModSquad.


Great job, Jedi Javi Lopez.

 

>> Unfortunately, other than farraday, you dont see many ex-mods regularly taking part in Comms discussions, so why would we think that they want to get involved in this stuff? <<

Just because a person is not active in Communications (ex-mod or not), that has no bearing on their viewpoint on the JC.

A lot of people don't visit comms for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean they don't care or have nothing to offer.

 

well perhaps if we put these delicious exmods in as permanent members we could finally do away with the regular permanent member position......after all, if you want institutional memory then these exmods would do the trick as well as any regular members, freeing up three more spaces for regular rotating members....

 

Sure, jp, just because they dont come here doesnt mean they dont have anything to offer.

But logically speaking, if this is the place to discuss JC issues, then if they wanted to take part in discussions, they would be here doing so.

Thats the way I see it at least. Its not to say that if you dont come here, you dont have valid thoughts and opinions, but rather that you dont want (for any number of reasons) to get involved in the discussions. If so, then why would they be needed in the AC?

EDIT: Anyway, the main point was that there isnt a big pool of ex-mods to select from, so it isnt wise to have even 3 in there as rotating members.

 

I think the idea is to get the added perspective, Dagsy. I'd be willing to bet (not much) that we could find a couple of ex-mods that would be willing to give their ideas in the AC where they might not want to post as frequently in the more heated atmosphere of Comms.

And honestly, I don't have any real desire to post in Comms about whether or not "poop" threads should be allowed or whatever seems to be the Slacker topic of the week.