Advisory Council Update for the week ending November 7th

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  1. ReaperFett Jedi Grand Master

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    Contents:

    I. AC Being Used to Preemptively Stop "Feuds"
    II. Absenteeism
    III. Manual signature links
    IV. Reviewing of banners
    V. Reforms for SW Misc?
    VI. A new lamb for the slaughter
    VII. The "United Front"
    VIII. Point of discussion

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    I. AC Being Used to Preemptively Stop "Feuds"

    Brought up by Genghis12 last week, this was in relation to the AC helping to try and difuse the problem of a feud before it happens.

    YODA the all powerful Commented, saying that this "should be something every member should try to do. Not just AC members. Every member should try to encourage others to get along.".



    II. Absenteeism

    Jedi Greg Maddux had some real-life matters to attend to, and told us he may be absent for a time. He returned later in the week.

    Also, ReaperFett, who can I just say is such a great guy, posted just to say that he hasn't been posting much in the last week or so due to University, but has been watching the boards.



    III. Manual signature links

    YodaJeff brought this up, about when posters put a link to a website in the main body of all their posts. As he said, "There is a reason we have a signature area, and links are allowed there. While these signatures don't use up bandwidth for other sites, they still could cause problems. If, down the road, the website changes and becomes something inappropriate, someone would have to edit all those old posts.".

    UK Sullustian and Jedi Greg Maddux could see the logic but disagreed, the latter saying "I'd rather they go by a case-by-case basis than to automatically punish those who don't follow the set code you propose. As long as it's a reasonable signature, I see no reason in restricting it"

    RidingMyCaroselOnYou was more on the opinion on the banning of them, noting that "I've seen some manual sigs that link to porn sites before and had to ban people for it. Not a fun thing, especially when not every moderator checks the links to those sites that people link to."

    Dark Lady Mara commented, saying "The example of what would happen if a link/pic were changed by the owner of the server being linked to into a porn site has been brought up quite a bit, but I have to admit I'm a bit confused by it. Honestly, what's the chance something like that would happen? Have any of you ever know of a Star Wars-related site or other site in that vein that was suddenly replaced by a porn site? "



    IV. Reviewing of banners

    YodaJeff commented that "It seems like every other banner creates some sort of drama.", and that "In the future, I think that all new banners should be run by the Mod Squad and AC prior to getting uploaded. It'd save a headache or two".

    The general consensus was that future banners should be ran through as many people as possible first. As an extenson of this, the AC members have been let into the THX-1138 forum, where banners are tested.



    V. Reforms for SW Misc?

    Dark Lady Mara brought this up, saying that "It's kind of unfortunate to see that 90% of threads there now are devoted to games, quote-a-thons, chat threads, and reposting of Star Wars-related joke emails, since I know there was a time when there could be found many threads in Misc. devoted to serious discussions of Star Wars-related topics that didn't fit neatly into the categorizations of the movie forums".

    Debate is still going on this.



    VI. A new lamb for the slaughter

    Darth_AYBABTU was inducted into the AC, as a permenant member.



    VII. The "United Front"

    Following farraday's topic in comms saying that Mods should be allowed to disagree in Comms, the "United front" for Mods was b
  2. RidingMyCarousel Jedi Grand Master

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  3. Mara_Jade_Fan Jedi Grand Master

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  4. Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus

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  5. FlamingSword Jedi Grand Master

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    Thanks for the update!
  6. AmazingB Manager Emeritus

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    Dark Lady Mara commented, saying "The example of what would happen if a link/pic were changed by the owner of the server being linked to into a porn site has been brought up quite a bit, but I have to admit I'm a bit confused by it. Honestly, what's the chance something like that would happen? Have any of you ever know of a Star Wars-related site or other site in that vein that was suddenly replaced by a porn site? "

    Actually, I've seen it happen. The URL for a wrestling website I used to frequent became the URL for a porn site. But I would think that that doesn't happen all that often.

    Darth_AYBABTU was inducted into the AC, as a permenant member.

    Good stuff.

    Amazing.
  7. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    Amazing brings up a great point about me.

    AYBABTU?

  8. ReaperFett Jedi Grand Master

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  9. Qui Gon Jim23 Force Ghost

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    And again I ask, is it too late to change my vote?
  10. Anvia_Fett Jedi Master

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    Thank you for the update, great stuff. And congratulations, AYBABTU. :)
  11. Night4554 Jedi Grand Master

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    POD: make a topic about it in the forum, that way the people who actually care could make the decision.

    ¤Night
  12. bright sith Jedi Grand Master

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    I oppose the merging of the Film Music Hall and the Amphitheatre strongly. The Music forum, while not the most busiest, is in terms of quality, one of the highest among the JC. Sure, there are redundant threads here and there, but the wealth of information and opinions on film music in general surely surpasses most forums.

    Of course, some are thinking right now that an argument can be made that such discussion could continue in the Amphitheatre. That would be a poor argument. The specificity of the Film Music Hall is its strength. The Amphitheatre gets singificant amount of posts, and film music threads could easily be burried. See the recent James Horner discussion, for instance. The music forum has a core community, and that shouldn't be abandoned so swiftly, either. Whether or not I can convince you, I second Night's idea to post a thread in the Music forum and ask for opinions. I'm confident many will feel as I do.
  13. ReaperFett Jedi Grand Master

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    Why do you assume there would only be one thread about it? Maybe if after a debate here, the idea would move there, or end.


    And think the other way. You ask those in Music, they say no. But they're going to. If you made an "Episode 3 for Pink Tutu wearers" forum, and after a few months asked the people in there if it should stay, theyd say yes :)
  14. bright sith Jedi Grand Master

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    Why do you assume there would only be one thread about it? Maybe if after a debate here, the idea would move there, or end.
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    I do not understand this, please clarify.

    And yes, you're probably right about the second part. But the logic of thinking should be why to make a move. We cannot think of a reason to establish a Pink Tuto forum, hence there will be no problem. I would like to see a legitimate reason to make a move here; why should the Film Music Hall and the Amphitheatre merge?. What you guys have proposed, and are asking is--why not merge the two.
  15. Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus

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    bright sith, the difficulties of merging two communities as different as Music and the Amphitheatre were our primary concern. The Music forum has a group of regular posters that we can't forcibly relocate. The reason this question came up in the first place was the fact that the Music forum has received very little traffic since the initial flood of curious members has died down, and it's better for the JC as a whole if we can streamline the forums as much as possible. Some new members have said the sheer number of boards here is intimidating and makes it difficult for newcomers to break into the community.

    Hopefully we'll be able to keep the forums just the way they are and not merge Music into the Amphitheatre. Admins have pledged to put more effort into reviving the Music forum, so the best recourse for now may be to revisit the issue after they've had some time to work. We just threw the topic out as a point of discussion for this week to get opinions from the members.
  16. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    Wow, SW Misc reform? Thats a coincidence!

    So far as letting ACers in on Colour schemes etc...I dont see why its necessary....it isnt like its a policy that needs discussion....unless all the mods are colourblind, the AC shouldnt really be needed for this.
    Some people will like it, some wont...running this past the AC wont make any difference.
  17. AdamBertocci Manager

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    I support revamping SW Misc so strongly you can feel it.

    BUT -- BUT -- BUT


    Please, please, please do not move Music. Keep it as it is, it is one of the best parts of the whole JC...




    Rick McCallum loves you!
  18. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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  19. bright sith Jedi Grand Master

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    Thanks for the explaination DLM. Your concerns on the difficulties of merging the forums are very sound, and they are definitly reasons to keep the forums as they are now. If mods want to contribute to the Music forum, that would be terrific. As far as I can recall, the only mod who actively created discussion in the forum was SotS, and now he is gone. Anytime a mod steps in and creates worthy discussion is terrific.
  20. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    DLM, how about a forum within a forum, like sort of a sub-forum of the larger? perhaps, Music could be a sub-forum (with all its own threads) of the larger Amphitheater forum?
  21. RidingMyCarousel Jedi Grand Master

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    bright sith -- see my title ;) :)
  22. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    Title: Amphitheatre,
    AotC & Film Music Hall

    nice title, RMCOY :D :D :D
  23. RidingMyCarousel Jedi Grand Master

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  24. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    "Basically, this board is nigh-on dead, and some consider the best route would be to merge this with the Amphitheatre. The current board would become read-only, and placed in the inactive status."


    Good god. Merge it with Amphitheatre? [face_shocked]
    Just curious, for those who said that "this board is nigh-on dead", do you ever even go there? Seeing as that only one mod posts there ( RMCOY ), I would guess not.

    Over the years that the Music Forum has been in existance, we've built up a community there. We know each other, we have a social thread where we basically share our lives, we almost all love LOTR music and there are huge threads on it, we discuss the connections between PT and OT music, complain about AOTC musical edits, and even technical music stuff.

    Just another question: WHY do you want to do this? Simply because someone who almost never posts there says that it is "nigh-on dead"?
    Well, okay then, time for you Moderators and Administrators to check out the facts:

    Total Music Forum Posts: 22,989

    Total Collecting Forum Posts: 19,747

    Total Fan Art Forum Posts: 11,620

    Total Costuming and Props Forum Posts: 13,142

    Total Sci-Fi 3D Forum Posts: 12,013

    Total Authors and Artists Forum Posts: 3,481

    Total Games: CCG and TCG Forum Posts: 14,276

    Total Games: RPG Forum Posts: 5,537

    Total Lucasfilm Projects Forum Posts: 3,718




    Whoa there. Does that really say that eight major forums (some of which have been around much longer than the Music Forum, like Sci-Fi 3D), not to mention half-a-dozen FanForce Forums, have fewer posts than the Music forum? Whoa, those are some tough facts.

    Okay, the Music Forum has been since February 2001, about a year and a half. Some of these forums have been around much longer (or the same amount of time) and have fewer posts than the Music Forum. Hmmmmm, are you still so sure that it's "nigh-on dead"?


    Why not close/merge/destroy-the-community in one of THOSE eight forums. Surely THEY are more than "nigh-on dead".




    If you have gotten thus far in my post and have not listen to my appeal to reason, perhaps you will listen to an appeal to action...

    GO to the Music Forum. READ the posts. GET INVOLVED. Sure, any person can say "The Music Forum is dead", but if you have actually read my post, then you could say so about those other forums I have posted.
    Honestly, I think many forums are a waste of board space and shouldn't even be here. But you know what? I have hardly -if ever- posted there. Before I make any such statements, I'd need to post there and see what it's actually like. I urge to you to do the same.




    Look at the facts my friends, and save the Film Music Hall./>/>
  25. Mace Windy Manager Emeritus

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    I must say, the limited time that I have spent in the Music Hall has been very enjoyable. It is a very close, tight-knit community, which reminds me a lot of the Non-Spoiler forum that I love so much.

    I strongly encourage all of that forum's regular members to get involved in the debate. :)





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