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Advisory Council Update - Week Ending Oct. 9, 2002

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Katya Jade, Oct 10, 2002.

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  1. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [hl=blue]|Advisory Council Update As Of Oct. 9, 2002| [/hl]
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    Here's a brief run-down of what we'll discuss:


    I. Discussion, Discussion
    [ul][li]Discussion of various issues[/li][/ul]

    II. ?Statement of Purpose?
    [ul][li]Posted the AC?s Statement of Purpose in YJCC[/li][/ul]

    III. Amphitheatre
    [ul][li]Discussion[/li][/ul]

    IV. Invitation of former mods to the AC
    [ul][li]Invitations sent[/li][/ul]

    V. Miscellaneous



    VI. Point of Discussion


    I. Discussion, Discussion

    There were a few issues to discuss this week:
    [ul][li] When the original "Slacker Grievances" Threads started appearing in Communications, a strong discussion ensued in the AC, involving both AC members and Moderators. All sides of the arguments were heard, (Though they consisted mainly of the procedural side of listening to points made, rather then the points themselves). The discussion then flowed into the Mod Squad and back into Communications.

    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9031234&replies=162] How many of you admins have been around longer than me and also never been perm banned?[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9020497&replies=61]Bathroom Humor Threads[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9034472&replies=476]Grievances[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9077965&replies=118]2nd Chance: Let?s Discuss These Issues Properly[/link][/li]

    [li] [hl=darkblue]KnightWriter[/hl] asked the question, "Does the administration go too far in moderating and create too much political correctness?? This prompted a very detailed discussion from both the AC members and moderators.[/li][li]A few items were discussed prompted by questions from the membership.[/li][li]Questions were raised about the possibility of opening up the Census forum for regular users to post polls or at least to relax some of the regulations regarding posting.[/li][/ul]

    II. ?Statement of Purpose?
    [ul][li]YodaJeff posted the AC?s Statement of Purpose in the YJCC forum. Overall, the information was well received by the membership with a few questions posed about why the AC members needed titles.

    [hl=lightpink]GriffZ[/hl] stated "As has been already said, everyone cannot have titles under the current board code.?

    The consensus on this issue was that titles for the AC members are simply there to identify the members.[/li][/ul]

    III. Amphitheatre
    [ul][li][hl=white]Lord Bane[/hl] mentioned that he?d like the AC?s input, "on how to make the Amphitheatre the bang up forum we know it can be.?[/li][li] The AC should be discussing Amphitheatre ideas over the next few weeks; [hl=indigo]RidingMyCaroselOnYou[/hl] has started a thread and will be coordinating conversation between the ModSquad and the AC on this issue. [/li][li]Please PM an AC member if you have any suggestions for the Amphitheatre forum.[/li][/ul]

    IV. Invitation of former mods to the AC

    [ul][li]Discussion continued on the invitation of former mods to the AC. Dan said, "At the start of each term, the new group of ACers can choose how many. how long, and who they will allow in here, concerning former moderators. Each group of former mods will be given access when the ACers decide, and that access will be removed when the ACers' access is removed. The new group of ACers could then choose who they want and if they will have rotations within their term (i.e. one mod per month, then another th
     
  2. Jedi Greg Maddux

    Jedi Greg Maddux Jedi Knight star 6

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    Awesome update, Kate! And thanks for doing this for us. You have no idea how much we appreciate you. :)

    [hl=red]GO 'CLONES![/hl]
     
  3. Silmarillion

    Silmarillion Manager Emerita/Ex RSA star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [blockquote]IV. Invitation of former mods to the AC
    * Invitations sent
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    Mine must've got lost in the mail. Guess I'm still a security risk then, eh? Fantastic.

    ;)

    Edited for obvious sarcasm.
     
  4. Night4554

    Night4554 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I don't know if Census should be opened up, unless a couple of mods dedicate some time to the forum moreso than usual.

    I know this is going to sound fruity coming from me, but maybe a handful of CR's and VIPs would volenteer to become a Census brigade, posting more polls, but also making sure they weren't redundant.

    ¤Night
     
  5. shinjo_jedi

    shinjo_jedi Jedi Master star 5

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    Wonderful Update Katya_Jade :)
     
  6. Darth_AYBABTU

    Darth_AYBABTU Jedi Master star 6

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    When mods resign from their position, they willfully yield the ability to opine in and view the ModSquad and the AC. What about them being former mods validates their position more or as much as those mods who have chosen to continue to volunteer their time to the moderation of the JC? I am lost on how someone's simple station as a former mod makes his opinions more valuable than any other regular member. If former mods wish to continue to directly influence the AC and ModSquad, why don't they also take on the mantle of responsibility that goes with being a current moderator? It would seem to me that they are getting a "free ride" to influence policy, while being completely free of the burden of implementing and enforcing that policy.

    And a good job on the update, Katya.

    AYBABTU?

     
  7. Jedi_Nailbiter

    Jedi_Nailbiter Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Pardon me for being rude, but just why are you on the Advisory Council, Katya_Jade? Nice update though.
     
  8. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't think I get your question, Nailbiter. I'm a member of the current Advisory Council.
     
  9. Jedi Greg Maddux

    Jedi Greg Maddux Jedi Knight star 6

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    Why is she on the AC? Same reason as I am - the former ACers made the decision.

    [hl=red]GO 'CLONES![/hl]
     
  10. Darth_AYBABTU

    Darth_AYBABTU Jedi Master star 6

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    She's there because of her valuable contributions to the boards, Nail. She was nominated and confirmed by a majority of the last group of ACers, including me. And what the hell kind of question is that? Why wouldn't she be?

    AYBABTU?

     
  11. Jeff 42

    Jeff 42 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Should regular users be able to post topics in Census? No. I'm sure the forum would be cluttered with spam. You might consider designating certain mods as people who ideas for Census polls could be PMed to.
     
  12. Darth_Ignant

    Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling star 7

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    Is there a reason Kat shouldn't be on it? It's made up of regular members that are well respected and smart. Where does she not fit in?
     
  13. RidingMyCarousel

    RidingMyCarousel Jedi Master star 6

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    Nailbiter, I'd say AYBABTU and the rest above him summed it up. Now, would you try not to be so rude and try to trust the judgement of the AC? Thanks :)
     
  14. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Good suggestions, Jeff42 and Night. :)
     
  15. Jedi_Nailbiter

    Jedi_Nailbiter Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, I've never seen her before and unlike most of the other AC members she's relatively new. Sorry though. I didn't mean to be so blunt.
     
  16. Jedi Greg Maddux

    Jedi Greg Maddux Jedi Knight star 6

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    Nails - QuiGonJim_23 is even newer than she is, FYI. Registration matters not, it's the contributions that count.

    [hl=red]GO 'CLONES![/hl]
     
  17. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Ah. Well, I've posted primarily in Community during my time here. Maybe that's why.
     
  18. Jedi_Nailbiter

    Jedi_Nailbiter Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think it'd be a good idea for them to open up Census board only if its done carefully. As Night said, it'd be good to have certain VIPs do it (their titles could be Pollsters! ;)) and to get qualified you'd have to submit like 20 good ideas for polls. I think that'd be a splendid idea.
     
  19. Night4554

    Night4554 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Polltergeist?

    :D

    ¤Night
     
  20. Jedi_Nailbiter

    Jedi_Nailbiter Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Maybe Pollytheist.
     
  21. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Do NOT open up Census. It will only be spammed to high heaven with "who do you think is hotter" and "who is Sifo-Dyas" polls. The "ideas for polls" thread is sufficient.




    Rick McCallum loves you!
     
  22. Dan

    Dan Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    When mods resign from their position, they willfully yield the ability to opine in and view the ModSquad and the AC. What about them being former mods validates their position more or as much as those mods who have chosen to continue to volunteer their time to the moderation of the JC? I am lost on how someone's simple station as a former mod makes his opinions more valuable than any other regular member. If former mods wish to continue to directly influence the AC and ModSquad, why don't they also take on the mantle of responsibility that goes with being a current moderator? It would seem to me that they are getting a "free ride" to influence policy, while being completely free of the burden of implementing and enforcing that policy.

    I see your point. Why should mods be given preferential treatment over regular members? This was one of the first things that came up in our discussion. However, we unanimously agreed that the pros outweight the cons.

    The single, most important attribute that former moderators have is the ability to see both sides of the fence relatively clearly. They were regular members twice, and they also had experience in Mod Squad. They can act as a liaison between the moderators and ACers. It can only make our decisions on policy more effective. We also have the added benefit of getting more ideas and opinions from people that are surely qualified (being former admins, and all) for the position.

    As for being given a free ride to influencing policy without the burdens of moderating; well, same with the ACers. Further, you seem to make "influencing policy" as some sort of grand thing that everybody would cherish if they had the ability to do so (which they really can in some cases, here in Communications). That really isn't the case. If they can influence policy and better the JC in doing so, I don't see how that's a bad thing.

    EDIT: THANK YUO, HERMAN SNERD.

    About Census: would there be a problem with opening up the polls for, say, two weeks? See how it goes? If there is an immense amount of spam/garbage, things can go back to the way they were. But if it doesn't work out that way, having dedicated VIPs or whatever to handle the polls would be a good thing to look into.
     
  23. Jedi_Nailbiter

    Jedi_Nailbiter Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Do NOT open up Census. It will only be spammed to high heaven...

    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=8684877&replies=45]It already is...[/link]
     
  24. Herman Snerd

    Herman Snerd Jedi Master star 6

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    I see your point. Why should mods be given preferential treatment over regular members? This was one of the first things that came up in our discussion. However, we unanimously agreed that the cons outweight the pros.


    I think ya got that backwards. ;)
     
  25. Dan

    Dan Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Freudian slip? ;)
     
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